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[Vanigo]

Working on it. Been delayed by general distraction, and one really inconveniently timed power outage.

[Vanigo]

Here's what I've got so far. There's a couple spots that are giving me trouble, though, and I'd be happy to hear any ideas lemon10 or Happerry have on the subject:

Spoiler: techs (click to show/hide)

Crop Rotation
    Requires Crop Diversification
    Allows Advanced Farms

Naval Engineering
    Requires Navigation, Engineering, Sailing
    Allows fishing boats adjacent to shore
    Allows Cog
    Allows Caravel

Metallurgy
    Requires Iron Working
    Allows Smelter

Warhorses
    Requires Horseback Riding, Military Tradition
    Allows Warhorses

Law Enforcement
    Requires Code of Law
    Allows Police Station

Academics
    Requires Education
    Allows Academy

Taxation
    Requires Code of Law, Currency
    Eliminates upkeep of size 5 colonies

Mechanics
    Requires Engineering
    Allows Windmill

Sanitation
    Requires Engineering
    Allows Sewer

Armorcraft
    Requires Military Tradition
    Allows heavy metal armor, light metal armor

Longbows
    Requires Military Tradition
    Allows longbows

Siege Engineering
    Requires Military Tradition, Engineering
    Allows Ballista

Naval Artillery
    Requires Maritime Warfare, Siege Engineering
    Allows Naval Catapult, Naval Ballista

Spirit-calling
    Requires Spirit-warding
    Allows Phantom-calling Censer

Evocation
    Requires Energy Magic
    Allows Blasting Staves

Animation
    Requires Matter Magic
    Allows Stone Shamblers

Divination
    Requires Mind Magic
    Allows Watchwards

Wind Magic
    Requires Ephemera Magic
    Allows Windcaller Sails

Body Enhancement
    Requires Body Magic
    Allows Power Gauntlets

Enfeebling
    Requires Body Magic
    Allows Exhaustion Orbs

Sorcery
    Requires Magecraft, any three other magic techs
    Allows Sorcerors

Infusion
    Requires Enchantment
    Allows Flaming weapons, Windbound shields, Water-kissed armor


?
    Ljus Faller only
    ?

Accellerated Mobilization
    Ser'kash only
    Immediately recieve Military Tradition, Armorcraft

Gifted Explorers
    Sidamaru only
    Cartography units can map two squares/turn

Expansionism
    Sunstone only
    Colonies grow slightly faster

Study of Labor
    Xeniice only
    Unlock Mind Magic, Matter Magic, Animation

Spoiler: Civ changes (click to show/hide)

Ljus Faller

Trait lost: Economic Stranglehold
New leader: Sage
Free tech: Sorcery

Sailing
Priesthood
Iron Working
Code of Law
Enchantment
Crop Rotation
Academics
Taxation
Mechanics
Sanitation
Longbows
Siege Engineering
Evocation
Divination
Sorcery
Infusion
?


Ser'kash

Trait lost: Racial tensions
New leader: General
Free techs: Priesthood, military tradition

Currency
Map Making
Iron Working
Engineering
Artifice
Crop Rotation
Warhorses
Academics
Sanitation
Armorcraft
Longbows
Spirit-calling
Evocation
Animation
Sorcery
Accelerated Mobilization


Sidamaru

New trait: ?
New leader: Governor
Free tech: Mechanics

Currency
Priesthood
Crop Diversification
Beast Taming
Matter Magic
Crop Rotation
Metallurgy
Academics
Mechanics
Sanitation
Longbows
Siege Engineering
Spirit-calling
Animation
Sorcery
Gifted Explorers


Sunstone

New trait: Arrogance
    +1 prosperity
New leader: Explorer
Free tech: Longbows

Sailing
Formalized Religion
Iron Working
Navigation
Energy Magic
Crop Rotation
Metallurgy
Academics
Taxation
Mechanics
Sanitation
Longbows
Body Enhancement
Enfeebling
Sorcery
Expansionism


Xeniice

New trait: Expert Shipwrights
    Naval units get +4 health
New leader: Sage
Free tech: Taxation

Horseback Riding
Life Magic
Iron Working
Engineering
Navigation
Crop Rotation
Naval Engineering
Law Enforcement
Academics
Taxation
Longbows
Siege Engineering
Naval Artillery
Spirit-calling
Wind Magic
Study of Labor

[IronyOwl]

Looks great.

[Nirur Torir]

Yesss, two steps closer to airships. I can work with that, although I get the feeling I'm going to need to find a second source of iron in this age in order to not fall behind in land-based military power.

Now to conduct diplomacy: giant zeppelins filled with cannon-armed-gnomes, spell-slinging immortals, and flying cavalry would be great fun. We shouldn't play Gang Up On Xeniice. It's not great fun.

[Happerry]

Alright, most of it looks good to me. Except for....

Police Stations? In the early iron age? What ever it does, I suggest renaming it something the Town Watch or somesuch.

I would like to pick up Code of Law somewhere though. It seems kind of weird to have this picture in my head of these intricate magical rituals and pacts with spirits made up all lawyer like in my head and then realize that the goblins don't seem to have picked up in formal laws for their day to day life....


For a trait suggestion... Mutates? Or something? I did note that the goblins where starting to see some real physical differences in form this age. Something like the yes/no predatory caste thing the bird men had? Metastable Society? To represent the tension the combination of the mutats and the political problems the clans are giving each other? double all random bonus and penalties? IE, the prosperity event would give +2 instead of +1, but any famine type event would give -2 instead of -1?

Just as random ideas.

[lemon10]

Was thinking about a tech that gives me +2 yield on deserts (preferably without building farm equivalents there, they would still have pretty bad yields, but it would still do in a pinch).
Dunno, mabey have it be some kind of irrigation making the desert less deserty (although i suspect that Irrigation as a name will be used by a later more general farming tech), or some kind of fire magic to siphon off the extra heat so it doesn't impact the desert as much.

Yesss, two steps closer to airships. I can work with that, although I get the feeling I'm going to need to find a second source of iron in this age in order to not fall behind in land-based military power.

Now to conduct diplomacy: giant zeppelins filled with cannon-armed-gnomes, spell-slinging immortals, and flying cavalry would be great fun. We shouldn't play Gang Up On Xeniice. It's not great fun.

Well, if you have spell-slinging immortal cannons on flying zeppelin calvary, then of course we have to "Gang Up On Xeniice".

[IronyOwl]

I think he means immortal Hinor and flying Ashara, all joining the big ale party on Xenice's super cool awesome fun floating death cannon juggernauts.

Unfortunately, the Ashara are rather averse to pain, so I'm not sure what quality cavalry they'd really make. Ranged combat is really more their forte, sitting safely up in the sky, but it seems that spot's going to be taken by floating cannon gnomes. All in all, I'd say being redundant in a three-man band is a losing proposition.

[Nirur Torir]

Well of course your flying cavalry wouldn't be entering in melee combat when avoidable, as that's a really bad use of them. Zeppelins tend to be a bit slow, though, and scattering forces would need someone hunting them down.

Well, if you have spell-slinging immortal cannons on flying zeppelin calvary, then of course we have to "Gang Up On Xeniice".

You have the only immortals.

[Ahra]

everythings good except xenices imperial ambitions

[lemon10]

Well, if you have spell-slinging immortal cannons on flying zeppelin calvary, then of course we have to "Gang Up On Xeniice".

You have the only immortals.

Lies, i know your planning on building flying magic Zeppelin Calvary that never die.

[Nirur Torir]

Lies, i know your planning on building flying magic Zeppelin Calvary that never die.

I had been planning on staffing them with magical immortals, yes, but then you decided to all but declare war on me. (I'm still interested in the RP reason for why your people decided to place themselves suddenly and undeniably as allies to a newly-discovered faction that was utterly losing a war.)

All that's left is flying zeppelins, which is more then a bit redundant.

[lemon10]

Lies, i know your planning on building flying magic Zeppelin Calvary that never die.

I had been planning on staffing them with magical immortals, yes, but then you decided to all but declare war on me.

Was just being silly obviously, perhaps i should have had a winking smily face to make it more obvious.

Lies, i know your planning on building flying magic Zeppelin Calvary that never die.

(I'm still interested in the RP reason for why your people decided to place themselves suddenly and undeniably as allies to a newly-discovered faction that was utterly losing a war.)

Profit and a desire to test out their millitary on a opponent stronger then some random monster they find and beat up. It didn't really hurt that you were planning on destroying their city and wiping them out as well (although he hinor are rather ambivalent about the fate of other races if it doesn't concern them, that would still elicit a response from them), and attacking even when they paid you tribute not to.
Profit is a pretty bad reason, since the effort going into making a millitary unit is many times the profit i would make from defending them, but still the main reason.

[Ahra]

on an totaly unrelated topic, thanks irony that i could use your turn system from knight otus AoR.

[Happerry]

So, um, we waiting on us doing something?

[lemon10]

So, um, we waiting on us doing something?

Vanigo hasn't been on for two days, presumably we are waiting for him.