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[olemars]

Cairo is a bit of a roller coaster ride. Wednesday it was horrors and mayhem on the street with 3-4000 injured and dead. Today it's this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahCwBBndlVY

[Max White]

Breaking news, as of a couple hours ago: The Obama administration is now negotiating with Omar Suleiman and the military's top officers, to arrange for a transitional government until September, so that Mubarak will step down as soon as possible.  It's unclear if Mubarak himself is actually involved in this negotiation for his retirement.

Fun fact: The US of A is not the world police, is it realy that wise for them to get into bed with a nation that is most likely going to spwan a few more terrorists at this rate?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Cairo is a bit of a roller coaster ride. Wednesday it was horrors and mayhem on the street with 3-4000 injured and dead. Today it's this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahCwBBndlVY

Dear god. Cairo has turned into Protest-Concert-PoliceBrutality-PaidFlunkies-CivilWar-Revolution-Festival-BeatenReporters-Netblockade Egypt 2011. That is literally the only way to think about any of this anymore.

He should just say "We can't support you against your own people, Hosini." Full stop.

I might actually aprove of the Obama administation for a few days if he did that.

[Bouchart]

Obama was wise to stay out of it until now.

[olemars]

Obama pretty much said in a press conf a couple of hours ago that Mubarak should stop harassing his own people and get over it already. Not in so clear words of course, politician brains can't handle that, but it was the gist of it.

EDIT:
 

I have had two conversations with President Mubarak since this crisis in Egypt began, and each time I've emphasized the fact that the future of Egypt is going to be in the hands of Egyptians.  It is not us who will determine that future.  But I have also said that in light of what’s happened over the last two weeks, going back to the old ways is not going to work.  Suppression is not going to work.  Engaging in violence is not going to work.  Attempting to shut down information flows is not going to work.
 
     In order for Egypt to have a bright future -- which I believe it can have -- the only thing that will work is moving a orderly transition process that begins right now, that engages all the parties, that leads to democratic practices, fair and free elections, a representative government that is responsive to the grievances of the Egyptian people.
 
     Now, I believe that President Mubarak cares about his country.  He is proud, but he’s also a patriot.  And what I've suggested to him is, is that he needs to consult with those who are around him in his government.  He needs to listen to what’s being voiced by the Egyptian people and make a judgment about a pathway forward that is orderly, but that is meaningful and serious.
 
And I believe that -- he’s already said that he’s not going to run for reelection.  This is somebody who’s been in power for a very long time in Egypt.  Having made that psychological break, that decision that he will not be running again, I think the most important for him to ask himself, for the Egyptian government to ask itself, as well as the opposition to ask itself, is how do we make that transition effective and lasting and legitimate.
 
     And as I said before, that's not a decision ultimately the United States makes or any country outside of Egypt makes.  What we can do, though, is affirm the core principles that are going to be involved in that transition.  If you end up having just gestures towards the opposition but it leads to a continuing suppression of the opposition, that's not going to work.  If you have the pretense of reform but not real reform, that's not going to be effective.
 
And as I said before, once the President himself announced that he was not going to be running again, and since his term is up relatively shortly, the key question he should be asking himself is, how do I leave a legacy behind in which Egypt is able to get through this transformative period.  And my hope is, is that he will end up making the right decision.

[Nadaka]

Fun fact: The US of A is not the world police, is it realy that wise for them to get into bed with a nation that is most likely going to spwan a few more terrorists at this rate?

You are right, we are not the world police. But we have a responsibility to not be duplicitous in relation to freedom and democracy. We need to work with the new government that is inevitably coming to Egypt and aid in its transition, even if it means that we loose our puppet state in the region. It is not only the right thing to do in respect to the American philosophies of freedom and democracy, it is in our interests to do so and reduce the threat that the revolution will be taken over by radicals. Egypt may still be our ally in the region, even after Mubarak is gone.

[GamerKnight]

No. America's philosophies are oil, tobacco, booze and porn. Because thats what you give other countries. 'Freedom' is subjective. And maybe democracy ain't the best form of government out there.

[nenjin]

Obesity. You forgot obesity.

[GamerKnight]

Oh yes, obesity as well.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

No. America's philosophies are oil, tobacco, booze and porn. 

None of those are philosophical topics. They're resources.

'Freedom' is subjective.

Hardly.

And maybe democracy ain't the best form of government out there.

As Sir Winston Churchill taught us, democracy is the worst form of government, except for all of the other forms of government.

[Max White]

Obesity. You forgot obesity.

Well he did say oil, he just never said what type of oil. Fatty foods are loaded with oil!

[GamerKnight]

Nope. They are a way of life. 'Freedom' is most definitely subjective. Go ask 10 people what freedom means to them. Guarantee you will get at least 5 different answers. (And no being arseholes and posting 10 identical answers on this thread, guys.)

Communism led by decent, altruistic person instead of a sociopath. That is all I have to say.

[Darvi]

Communism led by decent, altruistic person instead of a sociopath. That is all I have to say.

Which is why communism will never work :/

[GamerKnight]

Give me 1000 incredibly patriotic people and I can make communism work.

[Max White]

Nope. They are a way of life. 'Freedom' is most definitely subjective. Go ask 10 people what freedom means to them. Guarantee you will get at least 5 different answers. (And no being arseholes and posting 10 identical answers on this thread, guys.)

Communism led by decent, altruistic person instead of a sociopath. That is all I have to say.

Go ask 10 people what evolution is, guarantee about 9/10 people will be wrong. Inabilty of the public to reflext on a topic does not reflect the propertys of a topic.