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[Tyberix]

Why this feels suspiciously prepared for me ?
And why just like that throw out (0,0) situation? Accusing townie isn't something uncommon,just look at our last lynching for example..

Ottofar Do you think we have a doc at all ? Aside from zrk2 who do you find suspicious ?

And slow down with that "we gonna die",there's still hope for our Master We have lot of time yet,and Azure/mukluk don't posted anything since D1 yet.

[Darvi]

Why this feels suspiciously prepared for me ?
And why just like that throw out (0,0) situation? Accusing townie isn't something uncommon,just look at our last lynching for example..

He was a lurker, so it was pretty much win/win for us. Of course, if our next victim really is a townie, ya well, I'll just accuse the survivor and have it done with.

[TolyK]

yes, then we can lynch the next 2 mafia and have a majority.
I'm going 2 bed.

[Zrk2]

Darvi, Exactly.

Now, it seems that Ottofar is trying to confuse us. While zrk2 is trying to stop people from finding out who he is.

My notation is : Mafia=1, Townie=0.

If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 1 then they are trying to trick us into thinking one of them is the townie.
If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 0 then Ottofar is rightfully being confusing and Zrk2 is a special dude (cop?)
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 1 then Ottofar is naturally cryptic/lazy and Zrk2 is trying to look like a townie.
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 0 then they're both bad mafia players.

(1,1) Not likely, I am too new to pull it off, and I am naturally defensive.
(1,0) Likely, although you go out on a limb with your secondary conclusions.
(0,1) Lies. If I were scum I wouldn't have gotten into such a destructive battle with Ottofar, when he started building a case against me I would have moved on to a lurker.
(0,0) One half of that is true, the other half possible/likely.

TolyK Who are your top two scumpicks?

[Argembarger]

I don't have time for a poem,
take your expectations and stow 'em.
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Azure Sepulchre has 4 posts; the last 51 hours ago. Red text: UristMcDwarf. Posts: [1][2][3][4]
Darvi has 31 posts; the last 4 hours ago. Red text: Zrk2. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31]
Ottofar has 28 posts; the last 6 hours ago. Red text: Zrk2.. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28]
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TolyK has 39 posts; the last 4 hours ago. Red text: Zrk2. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39]
Tyberix has 13 posts; the last 4 hours ago. Red text: Darvi. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]
Zrk2 has 21 posts; the last 2 hours ago. Red text: Unvote Tyberix, Vote Ottofar. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21]
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The Captain: dead, cult Inquisitor has 5 posts; the last 53 hours ago. Posts: [1][2][3][4][5]
UristMcDwarf: dead, loyal cultist has 3 posts; the last 67 hours ago. Posts: [1][2][3]

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Replacements considered: warhammer651 => Ottofar; vadia => TolyK.
The Morgue: The Captain: dead, cult Inquisitor; UristMcDwarf: dead, loyal cultist.

Moderator: please prod Azure Sepulchre. They haven't posted in over 24 hours.


Azure has been prodded.

This is his second prod; if he accumulates another he will be modkilled.

[Argembarger]

Just to clarify,

the weekend counts as 0 hours but

you still have to post in order to avoid the prod

I'm pretty lenient with weekend hours though, I understand people can be busy. I allow about 36-48 hours on weekends before a prod happens

[TolyK]

Darvi, Exactly.

Now, it seems that Ottofar is trying to confuse us. While zrk2 is trying to stop people from finding out who he is.

My notation is : Mafia=1, Townie=0.

If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 1 then they are trying to trick us into thinking one of them is the townie.
If Ottofar=1 and Zrk2 = 0 then Ottofar is rightfully being confusing and Zrk2 is a special dude (cop?)
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 1 then Ottofar is naturally cryptic/lazy and Zrk2 is trying to look like a townie.
If Ottofar=0 and Zrk2 = 0 then they're both bad mafia players.

(1,1) Not likely, I am too new to pull it off, and I am naturally defensive.
(1,0) Likely, although you go out on a limb with your secondary conclusions.
(0,1) Lies. If I were scum I wouldn't have gotten into such a destructive battle with Ottofar, when he started building a case against me I would have moved on to a lurker.
(0,0) One half of that is true, the other half possible/likely.

TolyK Who are your top two scumpicks?

You and Ottofar, I think one of you. I'm staying with you since it seems most logical to me.
Sorry 

[mukluk]

NO, looks like just me, for Ottofar, for his cryptic way of saying he wanted to lynch me. He always wants to lynch me.
Mukluk Detail your scumpicks and why.

Well Zrk2, I would say my picks are more persons of interest at the moment instead of pure scumpicks.  They are Tyberix because he asked me a bunch of questions early on and Tolyk who used to be Vadia (who received a couple of votes in the beginning), but now the scum meter for him seems to have dropped off a bit).  So Zrk2, same question to you, who are your scumpicks and why?

[mukluk]

And slow down with that "we gonna die",there's still hope for our Master We have lot of time yet,and Azure/mukluk don't posted anything since D1 yet.

Hey Tyberix.  I posted a lot on Saturday, but not as many people did probably due to the zero hrs things so I took most of Sunday off.

[Azure Sepulchre]

Ack, got prodded again. -_- Sorry guys. May have to quit. Semester 2 coursework has piled up far faster than I had anticipated. I'm still in for the time being (I know how annoying it can be to have a replacement show up into a game that's been going a while) but I'm just saying you guys shouldn't be surprised if I end up getting kicked out.

Now, then. Gonna read up, see what I've missed.

[Ottofar]

I'm a bit in a rush, I'll do what I have time to do.

Spoiler: My previous against Zrk2 (click to show/hide)

Everyone:
Do you think we should roleclaim?

Here, pay attention to:
 a)Questioning everyone, doesn't really help. Picking targets makes things easier.
and b)Rolefishing. This benefits the scum, as they get to know who to roleblock, and/or who to kill. It doesn't benefit town on day 1 at all.

I asked because it is occasionally a useful option. I suggested it so we can decide whether or not we want to, and the move on, instead of debating it later, when we have more info to scumhunt with.

Why are you voting so early? You have no information. I know Day 1 lynches rarely prove useful, but shouldn't you at least wait until you have some info before voting?

a) Covering up for the slip
b) "Don't vote me!"

I proposed a roleclaim so we could debate it now and get it out of the way, instead of later in the game when we would be more busy with the extra information we have.

Ottofar I thought you were experienced enough not to play BM. Do you think it is possible that you will unbalance the game?

Everyone Explain what strategy you would use as a scum. Who would you try and lynch first? How would you avoid suspicion (Don't say 'Scumhunting' I want details)? How would you try and help a partner in danger?

a) Covering up,
b) I was attacking him, then he asks, if I'm experienced enough to unbalance
and c) Everyone again.

Zrk2 Why are you asking so many questions to so many people -- why not one or two to one or two people?

Vadia Asking questions is a scumtell? What?

Who are the scumpicks of everyone, if any?

a) Pure OMGUS vote.

b) Everyone. Also note that he doesn't state his own.

[snip, even if it's not much]

I voted for him because he jumped on me for asking questions, that is the opposite of a scumtell.

I would say Vadia, for the above reason.

Defends OMGUS, claims it wasn't one.

Ottofar You have been rather aggressive so far. Why have you engaged in RVSing so hard, as it almost never achieves anything?

At this point, I had not really attacked anyone else.

Everyone: Please list your top two scumpicks, and give reasons.

I would say Vadia for taking my question asking as a scumtell, and for trying to mobilize a lynch campaign against people for not posting right away, this is BM, it will take a while to get going. I have no other real scumpick yet.

Everyone. This time he tells his pick though.Or ask some questions. Like: Urist McDwarf, Have you ever played mafia before.
Also, why are you lurking?

Oh, I just threw out a series of generic questions, I see now that they were not very helpful, I just wanted to get those things out of the way quickly so we would not waste time discussing it when we have more information to discuss.

Here he is, still defending the rolefishing.

Ottofar If not Urist, who woulld you like to see hang?

Here he is, not paying attention.
Or just acting stupid.

Ottofar I have no idea why they killed the captain, he seemed rather quiet. MAybe they figure he would not be protected or anyhting.

All righty. Why shouldn't we lynch you?
Who should be lynched? Why?

You shouldn't lynch me because I am contributing.

I am not sure who should be lynched yet but I am developing suspicions.

Right, sure you are.

Also, he didn't state who he was suspicious of.

You shouldn't lynch me because I am contributing.

Or maybe we shouldn't lynch you because you're scum. Right, Zrk2?

+10 sarcasm, young padawan. I will compile my suspicions later today.

"More later". Note that he never delivered. This is Toaster's (our beloved IC's) #1 scumtell.

(1,1) Not likely, I am too new to pull it off, and I am naturally defensive.
(1,0) Likely, although you go out on a limb with your secondary conclusions.
(0,1) Lies. If I were scum I wouldn't have gotten into such a destructive battle with Ottofar, when he started building a case against me I would have moved on to a lurker.
(0,0) One half of that is true, the other half possible/likely.

Defends self. Also, still haven't compiled his suspicions.
That's what I'm voting Zrk for.

Also, I'm kinda suspicious of Darvi, and TolyK, they seem kinda buddy-esque.

[Argembarger]

I think I will add "rolefishing" to the list of terminology.

[Ottofar]

Yes, I think you should do that.
Also, how about Toaster's #1 scumtell.

[Azure Sepulchre]

Hmm... dead cop. Not as big an issue as we might think, though, since there was only a 50% chance of a cop even being in the game, which would have made it an extreme gamble on Captain's part to out his PR. Still. Would've been handy to know who he'd checked. >.>

Also observing the spat between Otto and Zrk2 with some interest. It could be a possible bus... however, the maffers just killed a cop - they wouldn't feel any pressure to preform well for the town at the moment, and as such have no need to attack one another to prove their own innocence. Ergo, I believe either only one of them is a mafioso member or neither is. Personally, I'm still inclined to think Zrk2 is mafia because of how much he's acted like an active lurker on day 1. On the other hand, he seems to be putting in the effort now ever since this was pointed out to him. At this stage, I'm just gonna watch him and Otto play it out, see which of them starts dropping the serious scumtells first. Besides, I have a new target in mind.

Specifically, Darvi:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Well, Urists affiliation was kinda predictable.

Was it, now? And you voted for him despite this revelation, didn't you? Now isn't that interesting.

Would've been too good for him to be a pally. that's what.

No, no, no, no, no. That simply isn't good enough. There must have been something more to this than simply blaming causality. And since you don't seem to have any obvious town tells (otherwise I'm sure you would have pointed them out by now), I must presume the only reason you knew he would be town was because you already know the scum. = |

After rereading all of the posts, I've got 2 prime suspects: Zrk2, for asking to many questions, and Darvi, for not asking any at all.

Wonderful! Some delightful self-depricating anecdotes the whole family can enjoy! Well, I guess if you can make jokes about the fact that you haven't asked anyone questions and are FoSing someone based on them doing the exact opposite of you, it can't possibly be considered scummy. Oh, perish the thought. lol sarcasm >.>

I also couldn't help notice that you still haven't asked anyone a single question since you posted the above. Hrm. Care to elaborate on why? There are, after all, plenty more people in this game than just Otto and Zrk. And, assuming only one of those two is actually scum (or, indeed, if either of them are) there must still be a partner. You've adopted a surprisingly lazy attitude.

I also noted you finally settled your vote on Zrk2 (without providing any fresh reason for such a lynch beyond what Otto has regurgitated, I see), which - taking intocxonsideration the two other votes on him - would put Zrk2 in no light peril, considering the liklihood of a lynch, and - to repeat my argument against why I believe the mafia would be encouraged to bus right now - would momentarily eliminates him as a potential scum partner. I also noticed that Otto himself has made clear his suspicion of you, too, and as he has kept up the appearance of an acceptable town member until now, (or, at the very least, has attempted to hunt scum instead of indulging in banal discussion) I may also also momentarily eliminate him as a potential scum partner (which directly implies that Otto and Zrk2 are both town members bickering with one another, which I find rather amusing).

Ergo - if you are mafia - I believe your scum partnets would have to be, in order of liklihood:

TolyK: As has been pointed out by Otto, you two have been thick as thieves during the little match of wits between Otto and Zrk2 - and, as a note of particular interest, I discovered both of you placed your votes on Zrk2 within 10 minutes of one another, practically assuring at least Darvi holds your opinion, TolyK, in unduely high regard. You have also done very little since the onset of day 2 to further the cause of town, so - if I may be so bold as to ask - presuming Otto and Zrk2 are, for the moment, two town members scratching pointlessly at one another, whom would you consider the actual mafia, based on what you have observed from the start of day 2? What are your reasons?

mukluk/Tyberix: Since the start of day 2, I can count the number of meaningful posts from the both of you together with two fingers. = | This is not a direct FoS just yet, as I would consider it somewhat hypocritical for me to suddenly return and attack two apparent lurkers. However, I have no problems pointing out to the pair of you that I'll be keeping an eye on what the both of you say... and what you don't say.

So... yeah. I guess what I'm saying is that I think Darvi and TolyK are our mafia, and that the fight between Otto and Zrk2 is nothing but a waste of effort between two townies that's giving the mafia ample time to sit back and relax before we wander - with no real idea of who is and isn't mafia - into lylo. = |

Questions?

[Toaster]

You shouldn't lynch me because I am contributing.

Or maybe we shouldn't lynch you because you're scum. Right, Zrk2?

+10 sarcasm, young padawan. I will compile my suspicions later today.

"More later". Note that he never delivered. This is Toaster's (our beloved IC's) #1 scumtell.