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I will live inside the core town, working together with others.

8 (24.2%)

I want to live in the town, but have my own plot and do my own thing.

12 (36.4%)

I intend to hermit separately in the general vicinity.

8 (24.2%)

I do not want to join the village attempt.

5 (15.2%)

Total Members Voted: 33

[kilakan]

 What is Haven and Hearth?

Haven and Hearth is an indie game developed using Java, C and Paintshop Pro, which is renowned for its stunningly beautiful 2D graphics. In addition to the lush 2D environment, the gameplay is very out-of-the-box in comparison to mainstream MMORPGs.

Persistent World

In MMORPGs, what you see is developed by some guy who spends his entire career making maps. You play as an avatar in a static world that will be no different tomorrow as it is today. In Haven and Hearth, this is different. You (yes, as soon as you spawn) have the capability to alter the world around you. Individuals, and communities, can morph and craft a village, raping the land around them for resources. Watch as a remarkable forest succumbs to deforestation and the ground under them is mined out for iron! Everything you do leaves a mark that others can see.
Player versus Player

Unlike most MMORPGs, you will become attached to your character. Death isn't measured in an EXP loss, but a loss of an entire portfolio. Death is also persistent. Not to mention destructive elements, such as battering rams, that can bring even the the most defensive villages to their knees, ruining countless hours of teamwork, friendship, and clicking.

It's in Alpha

The developers are donation-fueled (most donations currently going toward server upgrades) and are constantly working on their game. In combination with their tight-knit player base, your suggestions, demands, and threats carry more relevant meaning to them than it would in any other game you play with fancy graphics.

[ComradeLer]

Don't know if we are supposed to sign up here or what, but count me in.
So, what is the plan?

What are the guidelines for our community/village?
Who should look for our location?
What sort of area are we looking for?
Will we be communal, or a more political society?
What sort of personal space will we have? Will it be first come, first serve when it comes to choosing our own space? Or will we each be assigned/get to choose within the perimeters of a certain area? (I forgot the actual means of calculating tiles in H&H, But say, 10x10 for each person as an example, or enough room for a house, a small field, and some crafting/personal related stuff.)

[kilakan]

Hey, I made this for the purpose of moving village discussion from the other H/H thread, who's moderator doesn't seem to be checking it anymore.
The guidelines, locations, ect will be decided as more people come to the discussion.  As for space and such, ctrl+L lets you measure tiles, and since it will be a brand new world, location, and personal spaces will need to be moved as resources pop-up.  We are generally going to be trying to get one person skilled enough to search for mines in the new world, and as they are found we shall move to accommodate them.  The general idea will probably be a first come-first serve location idea, but since we will be starting from scratch, depending on the amount of active players, and the resources we find, I shall make sure the walls accommodate the people in town.  It's hard to plan anything before we get a spot, and I may not even be the lawspeaker.
What I think would be best however is having everyone create a throw-away character, to search for a spot with good q water, soil, clay, and tree access.  Hopefully near a mountain, or cave, since they seem to spawn more mines.  Then once someone finds a good spot to build at, we will probably create new characters, and spawn all at one persons HF and go from there.

[TheBronzePickle]

Lean-to camp until we find and move to the mine, then? Would be like my days in the nomad camps. Also, count me in, but I won't be able to come on often because of school.

[garfield751]

Lean-to camp until we find and move to the mine, then? Would be like my days in the nomad camps. Also, count me in, but I won't be able to come on often because of school.

more or less this also for me

[sonerohi]

Huge post incoming. If at any point you feel offended or patronized, understand that this is simply to provide the quickest and most informative crash course possible given how little prep time you guys have. You are all coming in for your first world restart, and for some of you this is your first playing time at all. The rest of the world has a lot of people like Nil, Potjeh, and Sabinati that have been playing since World 1 and have had the opportunity to streamline the starting process.

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If you do a bunched up village, in a Sodom-esque fashion, you will dumping a lot of initial labor into it, in exchange for it needing less labor later on, and that it is easier to do communal resources. It might seem like a lot for starting out, by a 35x35 will be the minimum tolerable amount later on, and once you have built it is nigh impossible to reconfigure the whole village, so you will have to make those from the start. You would need to pave 7 tile wide lines when you make the grid, to account for walls + minimum distance between claims.

The other option is loose villas. People just sort of scatter out around the village and settle in where they please on unused ground. The advantages of this are that it is easier to do, does not require the whole village to do the labor, and lets people have as much room as they want. The disadvantages are that, since people are further out, taking care of an inactive players stuff is harder, you need more crossroads (which are usually a security hole) and walls, and that communal resources will have to adapt around the players.

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Stuff to look for is going to be soil, water, and clay quality nodes. The higher the better, obviously. A good minimum to enforce would be that you have to have two of the three, q50 or higher, within x distance of each other, preferably under ten minutes of overland travel. Tree access is barely important, as logging camps are extremely easy to set up (so long as one ensures a supply of wine) and one has to create their own forest anyways since trees don't have quality nodes. In this vein, these three resources trump mines. You can have every gold mine in the game right at your idol, but if you do not have access to these three, your village will not be able to produce anything of notable quality. Plus, it is easier to set up a secondary ghost village over the mines you find, and personal claim the mine (which allows for full access if the claim owner sets their claim just so) than it is to do the same for the basic resources.

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General guidelines should be to not touch any non-basic food (if it isn't bread or apples, it is non-basic) until you have inquired about which FEP's it gives, what that stat is for, and who needs that stat. IE: If someone has been designated to pump perception for mine finding, it does not matter how hungry you are, don't eat roast lamb or carrots. Likewise, if you see a tool or piece of clothing with a higher quality than yours, leave it alone unless the maker of it made it specifically for you. Otherwise, you might be borrowing the carpenters best saw while he is trying to make new tanning tubs for everyone.

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Also, surface mines are preferable in the utmost to cave mines. Cave mines have new utility with the subterranean building update, which is good. If you find a mine in a cave, it is important to build a milestone trail leading to it, and then search for any other entrance to the cave system. Obviously, use the closest entrance to the mine as the official entrance. All other entrances should be rendered invalid, either by means of settling someone on the spot and walling it in, or by simply covering them all with the village claim and blocking them. 

[Jacob/Lee]

I'll follow whatever you guys decide. Count me in.

And sonerohi is right about the soil/clay/water nodes. If you have metal but no high Q clay/soil/water the metal will be damn near useless. I know somebody out there is saying "But you have METAL! You don't need high Q clay and that other garbage!" Well yes you do. If you don't have high Q clay, you can't make a high Q kiln or high Q bricks. If you don't have high Q soil, clay and water, you can't plant high Q trees for high Q wood. Metal quality is determined by the quality of the ore smelter and the quality of the fuel (charcoal) and charcoal quality is determined by the quality of the kiln and the fuel (wood or charcoal). Low Q metal goods (especially armor) isn't going to be nearly as effective as high Q stuff.

[TheBronzePickle]

The 'look for hi-q base resources' idea sounds sensible, but is it really that easy to find q50 spots relatively close together? The most I've ever seen is a q25 clay spot, and that took a few hours of random walking. The clay was the only thing of higher than base quality in the area. Of course, I've only been playing about a month total time, so I probably don't know what I'm talking about. If I am, just tell me so, I won't be offended.

[Ricky]

it's very easy to find spots with decent quality. generally, if you find a high quality soil/clay/water usually you will find another of the two that are about the same level. i had Q 50 soil 5 minutes away from Q 50 water, but no really good clay for a big radius, if you get what i mean.

[garfield751]

we should plan out the city layout beforehand. something that would allow our Commune (assumeing we are all pileing rescorces together).

Im thinking of  a central area for storeing food and other goods. around that should be farms (crops,trees,etc) and workshops. preferably all 3 places are next to each other so we dont have to go through one of them to get to the other. also nice wide roads im thinking of 5-10 tiles between districts would help prevent traffic jams.

The outskirts would be a uniform suburb with somewhat wide roads (about 5 wide) with small shacks (3x3 houses) and maybe 3 tile wide path for parking a small wagon in or something

[sonerohi]

Communal crops are doomed to failure. You can hypothesize and try your darnedest, but they will flop. Workshops are basically just small industries, like a block of kilns, or ovens, or leather tubs and racks. Traffic jams will basically never happen ever, and one doesn't need to place things close like that, thanks to fast travel. As long as you have a well connected and prioritized grid of crossroads, you should never have to walk very far. By prioritized I mean establishing a branch of security, and only allowing downward connections, never letting an easily accessed one connect towards your secure areas.

[Jacob/Lee]

Communal crops will never work. Ever. I think farmers should just grow things privately and give/trade with other people their excess crops/goods they produce.

But anyway, how long do you think it will build our city to a functioning order when the new world rolls around?

[garfield751]

if i had to take a wild guess id say about 2-8 weeks it really depends how hard people will be working

[Jacob/Lee]

Lol. If that's true, then the guy who said New Sodom will be up in ~6 hours may be horribly wrong.

[garfield751]

Revised plans:



its a rough sketch for how the town could be layed out

the blue lines are major roads

the green area is the village commons bascally place where people goto to process their goods and store stuff for the village.

the red area is where all the valueable stuff is stored only the most trusted people can go into there.

between the red and green zone should be an airlock where the village center is.

feedback would be good.