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Is a communist / socialist (similar goals in theory) world the ultimate goal of humanity?

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Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« on: November 23, 2010, 08:11:22 pm »

Ask almost anyone what a perfect world looks like. They'll almost certainly say "no strife, no hunger, no poverty, everyone has everything they could ever want and need" etc.

Do you know what that sounds like to me? A society where everyone gets what they need and want without worries as to capital? A society where every man is equal regardless of cashflow? A society where society itself is the benefactor of any hard work and not the person themselves?

Sounds communist / socialist to me, guys. It's a reality as soon as we get nanotechnological manufactories / reach a singularity.

What do you all have to say to that?
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2010, 08:13:50 pm »

There is a difference between Communism and anarchy.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2010, 08:15:09 pm »

There is a difference between Communism and anarchy.

Yes, mainly lack of a central ruling body.

EDIT: And, well, anarchy is more of a "strong rule" situation.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2010, 08:16:41 pm »

Besides, saying Communism the ultimate goal of Humanity is like saying Humanity is the ultimate goal of Evolution.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2010, 08:17:59 pm »

Besides, saying Communism the ultimate goal of Humanity is like saying Humanity is the ultimate goal of Evolution.

That makes absolutely no sense.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2010, 08:20:03 pm »

Besides, saying Communism the ultimate goal of Humanity is like saying Humanity is the ultimate goal of Evolution.

Sure, but only literally.

I don't really think it should even be a goal of humanity. Making things easier for ourselves. I'm not against communism per se, but I am against the kind of technological communism where everyone gets everything they need (and most things they want) with little to no effort. It's a nice fantasy, but a thankfully impossible reality.

The fun of life is in the struggle.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2010, 08:22:56 pm »

The point of Life, of Existence itself is to experience pleasure.

The ultimate goal is a Matrix, just instead of evil robots its filled with whores.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2010, 08:25:21 pm »

The point of Life, of Existence itself is to experience.

Fixed.

The Matrix-Brothel is probably still the ultimate goal though.
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2010, 08:27:48 pm »

How many different threads do we need to talk about perfect worlds and communism?  I think we're up to three active at the moment.

Screw it, I'm going to back to polish up my Feudalist Manifesto some more.
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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2010, 08:31:42 pm »

I vote we turn this thread away from the darkness of Communism to the light of robot hookers.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2010, 08:58:05 pm »

How many different threads do we need to talk about perfect worlds and communism?  I think we're up to three active at the moment.

As many as it takes for everyone to realize that everyone is secretly, within their deepest hearts, a communist.

I vote we turn this thread away from the darkness of Communism to the light of robot hookers.

Only if they're virtual robot hookers.

And all eight sexes must be represented equally.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2010, 09:40:11 pm »

Besides, saying Communism the ultimate goal of Humanity is like saying Humanity is the ultimate goal of Evolution.

That makes absolutely no sense.
Actually, it does, if standing on its own it comes across as a literally true nihilist "there is no actually objective reason or meaning to anything," but then he reveals that he actually meant this:
The point of Life, of Existence itself is to experience pleasure.

The ultimate goal is a Matrix, just instead of evil robots its filled with whores.
Which is just silly. Except for the second part, which is probably what you'd get with a pragmatic but not sociopathic entity behind a technological singularity.


Remember that communism/socialism has at its heart the idea of everyone contributing their abilities to the whole, and so there would theoretically be enough that no one ends up in destitution. It was specifically inspired by the plight of the working class in industrialized nations in the 19th century, where the people who formed the very backbone of their countries' economies were left to rot by the very people who most depended on their labor to fund their own extravagances and leisure. Unfortunately, it's mostly just been adopted en masse by subsistence farmers in backwater countries, who already more or less lived according to the ideal of "support your neighbor and take only enough of what you produce to feed yourself and your family" (ironically the same sort of "small town values" that the most rabidly anti-communist demographic in the US jacks off to).

There is a difference between Communism and anarchy.
Communism is nothing more than a modified form of anarchism that acknowledges the need for a governing body to manage the transition to "the workers control the capital they use, and use the fruits of their labor to help everyone else in exchange for being assured that others will ensure their own needs aren't ignored" stage.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2010, 09:45:55 pm »

The point of Life, of Existence itself is to experience pleasure.
Which is just silly.

Why do you get up in the morning? To continue your genes through to the next generation? To work because you need money for your grey tasteless food?

Everything is motivated by desire.
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Re: Communism / Socialism is the Ultimate Goal of Humanity
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2010, 09:48:37 pm »

Hell yeah, bring me the communism so I can sit around and play games all day while someone provides food, healthcare, and everything I need to live without having to work anymore.
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« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2010, 09:49:46 pm »

Then you get shot and everyone else works harder.

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