I doubt you could miss just how much you're postulating at the moment, Kamina.
I could that late in the night. It's easier to focus on one person when you're tired and don't feel like trawling through the rest of the thread. And I was pissed I deleted it. It's hard to think straight then.
You want a better post? I'll give you a better post. Wall of text incoming.
I'll begin with more detailed analysis of the other players, then a response to your wall-o-text.
Flintus:
Well, he was the 4th vote on Jet, but that's all really have on him at this point. I can't really blame him for bandwagoning Jet. I mean it, it was JET, man.
Native:
Same thing with bandwagoning Jet. Same reason it doesn't really matter. I might be blind, but I don't see much at this point. We'll see.
Now the interesting part:
Murphy:
Looking at Azure's points in your defense, and rereading my theory, you do seem much less scummy to me at this point. Seeing as you seem to agree with Azure, who would you suggest as my scumbuddy? Is it, as your list suggests, Native? What exactly makes him look suspicious at this point?
Azure:
Well, you could be scum trying to attack me, and thus win the game, but that is seriously weak argument at this point. You are almost assuredly town. And your argument against is seriously good. Unfortunately, it's wrong. If you lynch me, then it's game over. But I won't count on that to convince you of anything, like Jet did. Who would suggest as my scumbuddy? From your list, it would seem to be Flintus. What exactly makes him look suspicious at this point?
Well, that was shorter than expected. Time for my response to your post, Azure.
WIFOM. Scum could have used what he'd said against him. I know I would've, especially when it kept getting pointed out to me.
Fair point. But I'm confused as to how it kept getting pointed out to me. Could you point me to exactly where it was repeated? I only saw it the once. You're right as to pretty much all of my arguments being WIFOM crap. Therefore I'll drop them, and start the scumhunt anew.
Simultaneously distancing yourself from the scum NK and trying to make the choice seem impenetrable by WIFOMing the hell out of it. Seen scum do that before and likely will again. For one thing, I can't imagine any kind of scum that would be jumpy enough during an easy lylo to fire off a NK based on someone suggesting another theory. Particularly when said theory could potentially help the scum, assuming Murphy really is one of them. He'd have to be a short-sighted moron to NK Mind based on that, which - if I were to follow your theory of Murphy being a lot smarter than he appears to be - seems rather unlikely.
Where exactly was the distancing? Is thinking about the reasoning behind the nk distancing? Oh, I think I found it. It was me mentioning 'maybe they lynched him because ...', right? It does look like distancing. I wasn't intending to 'WIFOM the hell out of it', I was merely listing off all the possibilities that popped into my head. The more we have to think on, the better. We can dismiss those if you so wish, and come up with a new theory, which I think you did quite well.
I have dropped the main theory of Murphy being scum. In hindsight, if you look at this posts from a town perspective, as opposed to a scum one, they were a decent defense. I'm glad we ended up lynching Jet instead. He would have screwed us over in LYLO. Since you're suggesting I'm scum, are you saying I'm a short-sighted moron? Is that compatible with you saying what I'm doing is exactly what you would do? Because then you would be calling yourself a short-sighted moron.
More WIFOM. If I was scum, I would so leap on that motherfucker. Just like you're doing.
See what I was saying above.
I doubt you could miss just how much you're postulating at the moment, Kamina. All of it still centered around Murphy, too - even when the vast majority of your argument died with Jet, considering the amount that was based around the interplay between those two. This is a vote we really need to get right, and you're forcing a bottle of Moet et Chandon down someone else's throat before the rest of us can even get our bearings. I don't like it. Not one bit. Got anything else on anyone else, or do you plan to keep hassling the same person with whatever you can pull out of your cellar?
I'm not trying to force anything anywhere. See above on dropping my attack on Murphy. I'm willing to work together with everyone else to find the scum. Though I'm not sure if there's anything I can do to redeem myself in your eyes, Azure. Is there? And why would posting it first be before you could ''get your bearings"? You can think all you like. It's not like the day ends anytime soon.
Good metaphor though.
Frankly speaking, town, I think I'm right on the money with this one - the scum don't feel threatened by us because they were outside our scope by the start of night 2. I also doubt the scum could even try and engineer this kind of prediction from anyone, as it would be much too risky to wing the game if they thought they were in trouble. Mindmaker was also a player who's final vote could also have gone either way at the end and was therefore a liability for the scum at lylo (which implies at least some thought went into the NK, but it was still odd to take out a suspect player), whereas I looked quite firmly in Kamina's camp by the end of the night, having wanted a Murphy lynch. He was also the only other player besides myself I thought kept the game alive by dogging my every step and engaging in a pretty fierce argument with myself; even if he did whine more than was strictly necessary.
Not sure if there's any way I can respond to this...
Also: In hindsight, Jet gave us a town tell before he died - he didn't vote to prevent his own death. He didn't try to force us into a mylo, but just kept his vote out. Not something that would've saved him before the end, really, but still worth noting for future reference. Which makes Native's vote look like a pre-emptive move to stop this from happening, although whether this is due to him honestly thinking Jet was scum or because he'd been advised to do so by another player I don't know, due to his apparent inexperience and lack of time in the game.
Good point. I'm not sure if he actually thought that much about it. I mean, it's JET we're talking about here. He probably just said 'SCREW YOU GUYZ I DONT GIVE NO CARES NO MORE'.
The point on Native is definitely something to think about too. Could go either way. I'll have to watch him closer.
Even if I don't agree with much in that post, I agree with this. Jet is the most grating, mindless, unhelpful townie I have ever encountered. Bar none. A comatose rock could've played better.
At least we have
some common ground.
Hmm, you mean it like this:
1) There's a tie coming.
2) I say "if Jet flips town then Azure is mafia"
3) The real mafia hears me and decides to support me in my vote against Jet (knowing that Jet is town).
4) Jet flips town. Mafia can now either wait for me to blame Azure and support me (getting 3 votes), or blame me like Kamina did.
Right?
I'm pretty sure this is what he's saying. But I'm not sure what you mean by tie.
So that's why you never ever seem to pay much attention to my suspicion against you? You prefer to prove yourself town by hunting scum, not by wasting time defending.
I have to admit, I have many doubts. I can think of a semi-good scenario that would assume you mafia and explain the situation from that angle.
But I've seen now how such scenarios can look good and still be wrong.
Also, no man is perfect. Should you be mafia, you would've slipped at least once.
Indeed, Otto and Jet were town, and Otto was awfully scummy, and my Murphy-Jet theory make a lot of sense to
me, and Azure seemed convinced of it. Everything we thought was wrong. I'm looking forward to you elaborating on this.
Judging from what I said above, my current list of suspects (from most suspected to least suspected) is
1) Kamina
2) Native (former Ragnarok)
3) Azure/Flintus
I can understand your suspicion of me, but why Native? I haven't seen you give anything against him. Is this because of Azure thinking that Native voting Jet could be a preemptive move to stop Jet from tying the game? But wait. Wouldn't that make him town? He would prevent the mylo situation. But how could he have been advised by someone if he's not scum? I've probably overlooked something here.
That's all I've got for now. I may add more later. This was mostly a defense. I need to get to some more scumhunting, but this post has taken up enough of my time as it is.
I hope this wasn't in vain. I can't see this being enough to you I'm not scum, Azure. I'll just have to prove myself over time, I guess.
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