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[Erkki]

To all those who dont eat red meat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjPJbCx4gko

I'm not a vegan or vegetarian myself though.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

(Except if they really did, they'd be almost done with their next pregnancy before they self-weaned.)

Just googled it all to check up on the inhumanities...
Well, Australia has none of those. So nevermind. Small population has its benefits.

Oh, really?
I'm from Australia too, but I could have sworn there were people who had a dairy farm talking about that stuff.
Huh.

The various injustices in milk production is a complicated topic to me. I mean, there's some pretty inhumane stuff that happens there, the early weaning being at the very bottom of the list imho.
That being said there's some cultures who like to spigot blood out of the cow whilst it's being milked and drink the mixture.
I would drink free range milk, but I would prefer not to stop eating cereal completely.

But most animals afaik continue producing milk up until they're no longer being milked. So technically if vegans had an issue with cow milk they could just shift to human milk.
I would not be up for that, but there's probably a market for fetishists humanitarians who are.

There's stuff called soy milk, y'know, it's actually pretty alright, it's gotten to the point where I'd prefer soy milk over regular milk.

[DJ]

Soy is terrible for you, especially if you're a man, because it's got tons of fitoestrogen. And can you even make cheese out of soy "milk"?

[Tack]

Re: the inhumanities...
Well, Australia has none of those. So nevermind. Small population has its benefits.

Oh, really?
I'm from Australia too, but I could have sworn there were people who had a dairy farm talking about that stuff.

Apparently not. We've got "tyranically" high health standards, so no hormones or over-milked cows, and most to all of our cows are pasture-fed.
There's still the issues with price-wars against the supermarket brands, but I wouldn't think the cows have much to do with that.

[Orange Wizard]

Most of the actual abuse against... farm animals in general happens in the US and other developing nations.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Soy is terrible for you, especially if you're a man, because it's got tons of fitoestrogen. And can you even make cheese out of soy "milk"?

Do you mean Phytoestrogens?
Because if that is so then the studies performed don't show any sign of Phytoestrogens doing shit to the male body, there are theories, but nothing proven, in fact, it's leaning towards it helping protect against some forms of cancer(??) in large enough quantities, again, inconclusive.
Also, yes, apparently you can make cheese out of a few non-milk alternatives, soybeans, rice, almonds and other nuts, specifically.

Re: the inhumanities...
Well, Australia has none of those. So nevermind. Small population has its benefits.

Oh, really?
I'm from Australia too, but I could have sworn there were people who had a dairy farm talking about that stuff.

Apparently not. We've got "tyranically" high health standards, so no hormones or over-milked cows, and most to all of our cows are pasture-fed.
There's still the issues with price-wars against the supermarket brands, but I wouldn't think the cows have much to do with that.

Huh, interesting, could you link me to a source for that?
Edit: Turns out Phytoestrogen is not a specific compound, but a range of plant derived compounds, huh.

[Orange Wizard]

Soy is terrible for you, especially if you're a man, because it's got tons of fitoestrogen. And can you even make cheese out of soy "milk"?

Do you mean Phytoestrogen?

phyte me

[DJ]

Asians eat the most soy, and they have the least pronounced male sexual characteristics. Might be a coincidence, but I'd rather not risk it.

[Erkki]

Asians eat the most soy, and they have the least pronounced male sexual characteristics. Might be a coincidence, but I'd rather not risk it.

You know, someone told me veganism is a Jewish conspiracy to reduce birth rate in Europe and US to extinct white people. 

[DJ]

From what I heard it actually decreases iron levels in blood which normally resonates with tin foil, thus making hats ineffective.

[DJ]

Have you actually read your link? It pretty much says no luck there, gotta eat fortified food if you're gonna be vegan.

And insulting cheese is fighting words, son. Pistols at dawn?

[Frumple]

Cheese tastes fairly bad anyway. And cereal is crap.

KILL

... seriously though, as someone who also has pretty screwed up taste buds, I understand and sympathize with your malfunction. It's always kinda' unfortunate when the biological lottery screws you out of various sorts of deliciousness.

[KingofstarrySkies]

I wonder what my favorite cheese is. I think it'd either be jalapeno cheddar, or swiss. Swiss is great with black forest ham.

[Orange Wizard]

Parmesan tbh

[Frumple]

My favorite cheese is more.