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[hector13]

I'm not sure you can really boil down to semantics an argument about whether or not an emotive thing such as a rape victims not "deserving" to be called survivors. The human experience is not black or white.

[pisskop]

You could make an arguemen about how it preserves their dignity to call them so.

but I dont know if its a requirement 

[hector13]

I would also expect people to have the common sense not to trivialize rape, but there ya go.

[Orange Wizard]

No-one's trivialising rape, we're arguing that survivor is an unsuitable word for something where merely living through the event is not particularly notable

[pisskop]

:|

its fine.  we just had a talk about a touchy subject and not one insult was had.

[hector13]

pisskop surviving a commute to work was used as analagous to someone surviving rape. While I appreciate the argument was made re: the word "survivor", it is difficult to look past the equating of an every day event for most, with something as traumatic as rape. That was the trivializing.

[smirk]

No-one's trivialising rape, we're arguing that survivor is an unsuitable word for something where merely living through the event is not particularly notable

And you're wrong. Language is hard, I know!

dictionary.com

survivor
[ser-vahy-ver]

3.
a person who continues to function or prosper in spite of opposition, hardship, or setbacks.

National Rape Statistics (USA)

Health Impacts

    The chances that a woman will develop Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after being raped are 50-90%.

    Rape victims are four times more likely to have contemplated suicide after the rape than non-crime victims, and 13 times more likely than non-crime victims to have attempted suicide.

    Women who experience rape, stalking, and/or intimate partner violence are significantly more likely to experience asthma, irritable bowel syndrome, diabetes, frequent headaches, chronic pain, difficulty sleeping, activity limitations, poor physical health, and poor mental health than women who have not had such experiences.

    Men who experience rape, stalking, and/or intimate partner violence are significantly more likely to experience frequent headaches, chronic pain, difficulty sleeping, activity limitations, poor physical health, and poor mental health than men who have not had such experiences.

5 seconds on a search engine there, spudly. And I'm sure you can track down even more if you want to bother. While the death rate from rape either directly (by rapist) or indirectly (mental health-related suicide) doesn't get anywhere near the 50% mark, it is significantly more likely than for a person who has not been raped. And even for those whose abusers don't try to kill them, or who don't attempt suicide, dealing with and recovering from the involved physical and/or mental trauma more than falls within the definition for "survivor".

[Yoink]

Y'all are so un-chill you're making my beer warm, goddamn.

Or you would be, if I had a beer of any temperature. *sigh*

[pisskop]

Its just that context though.


is it how traumatic it is?
or how its not an everyday event for most
is it how it alters the psyche?

because these are all not proper use of survive...

youre saying that im making trivial, when were talking about word use :|
  youre saying it feels icky or wrong to discuss the topic.

[Descan]

the last few pages made me wtf

like i ain't even taking sides, that argument was just surreal

[TheBiggerFish]

I agree with Descan...

[Yoink]

I agree with beer can.

* Yoink sets off towards the liquor store, doing his best to avoid creepy avocado gremlins along the way.

[TheBiggerFish]

I agree with beer can.

* Yoink sets off towards the liquor store, doing his best to avoid creepy avocado gremlins along the way.

Are you trying to win the surrealist quote thread?  (sig'd)

[hector13]

Its just that context though.


is it how traumatic it is?
or how its not an everyday event for most
is it how it alters the psyche?

because these are all not proper use of survive...

youre saying that im making trivial, when were talking about word use :|
  youre saying it feels icky or wrong to discuss the topic.

You were just provided with a definition of survivor by smirk that covers it, so I fail to see your point.

I'm not saying not to discuss it, just use a bit of tact. You were equating your commute with rape as an exemplar of how to misuse the word which, while correct for your definition, was boneheaded in the sensitivity department.

[Orange Wizard]

Language is hard, I know!

Do you even bant m8

a person who continues to function or prosper in spite of opposition, hardship, or setbacks.

Used to describe a person, i.e., she's a real survivor, she puts up with so much, etc. Not interchangeable with victim.

The chances that a woman will develop Post Traumatic Stress Disorder after being raped are 50-90%.

Rape victims are four times more likely to have contemplated suicide after the rape

It's almost as though PTSD is really shit and rape isn't fatal

Are we also going to call doctors "survivors" because they are more likely to suffer from trauma?

Am I an depression survivor because I'm more likely to commit suicide?

You stretch the definition, stretch and stretch, until eventually it doesn't mean anything anymore. If anything's being trivialised, it's people who've actually survived something deadly.

You were just provided with a definition of survivor by smirk that covers it, so I fail to see your point.

A bad definition. Baaaad.