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Author Topic: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O  (Read 14839702 times)

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #28485 on: March 07, 2013, 02:20:21 pm »

The odds don't matter, it's immoral to plead guilty to a crime you didn't commit. If people didn't do that this wouldn't even be an issue.
Morality bends really damn quick when you're looking at cutting your time in prison to a third :-\

Less time you're in there the less likely your orifices get plundered or limbs mangled. Considering the shithole that is the American prison system, I'm not sure if reducing your time in it by as much as possible could really be considered immoral. Definitely not moral, but survival tends to trump principles in that sort of situation, and reasonably so. Amorality is a thing, and considering the risks and costs involved in prison time, it's definitely what's going on here. Personally, morality can go blow itself if it means staying out of the rape box.

Pleading guilty for a guarantee of a misdemeanor instead of a possibility of a felony would probably fall into a similar category of action considering how badly being a released felon screws you over in the states.

Now, if the states prison system wasn't basically a rolling human rights violation and there was some way to get out of second class citizen status after getting out of prison, then... yeah, there wouldn't be "an excuse not to try". But with things as they are, you do whatever you damn well can to either reduce the odds of going to prison or reduce the length you're in there. And, as True notes, going before the jury can easily increase those odds, sometimes drastically. You really can't expect people to reasonably act otherwise, unfortunately. Now, improve the situation behind bars and post time... maybe. Definitely more traction for condemnation. But not before that happens, yeah.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #28486 on: March 07, 2013, 02:20:37 pm »

We want a top-tier justice system, but we don't want to pay for it, so we take corrupting shortcuts that destabilize the whole foundation said system is based on.

Actually, there's some truth in there.
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« Reply #28487 on: March 07, 2013, 02:39:59 pm »

The odds don't matter, it's immoral to plead guilty to a crime you didn't commit. If people didn't do that this wouldn't even be an issue.

Oddly enough in some states they allow a plee of "No contest" which is basically "While I assert I am innocent, I realise that in this situation I cannot prove my innocence."

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But seriously, you're addressing a different issue than me. It's a classic prisoners dillema - Yes, individuals are often better off taking a plea deal, since it allows them to avoid the worst case scenario. But we are ALL worse off for the option even existing. It's an incredibly powerful perverse incentive that warps the whole environment it's built around. And it stems from the same source as the other problem you're bringing up, which is ultimately incredibly simple

Oddly enough in places where they, not so long ago, removed the deal system... Everyone actually worked harder to ensure justice was done.

As if the deal system hurt the innocent more often.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #28488 on: March 07, 2013, 02:41:23 pm »

So, innocent until proven guilty isnt a thing anymore?

Scotland has the rather useful third verdict of "Not Proven", as in "we think you did it but cant quite pin it on you". Not sure how often it is applied though. I am sure Owlbread will be more knowledgeable on this than I.

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« Reply #28489 on: March 07, 2013, 02:48:44 pm »

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« Reply #28490 on: March 07, 2013, 02:54:02 pm »

http://www.townsgame.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=12

Not sure how I feel about this.
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Okay now they just trolling Toady. Seriously.
 
At least, there is a dungeon? DF doesn't have dwarf mode dungeons.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #28491 on: March 07, 2013, 02:54:46 pm »

http://www.townsgame.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=218&Itemid=28

I especially like thier photos.

Hoodie pictures obscuring face.... Sounds legit?



Dunno. They do give credit to Toady.... I don't wanna judge, but I mean.... You decide for yourselves how that looks.
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« Reply #28492 on: March 07, 2013, 02:55:44 pm »

We have a thread for that game you know.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=86568.0

And yes, those dev photos are pretty sweet :P
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« Reply #28493 on: March 07, 2013, 03:47:03 pm »

So, innocent until proven guilty isnt a thing anymore?

Well in terms of being given fair treatment under the law until they prove that you are guilty. No one can "Punish you" before you are proven guilty.

That is definately still a thing.

Now as far as the "Burden of proof" is concerned, what you are refering to... That isn't a thing.
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« Reply #28494 on: March 07, 2013, 03:55:56 pm »

http://www.townsgame.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=12

Not sure how I feel about this.
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Okay now they just trolling Toady. Seriously.
 
At least, there is a dungeon? DF doesn't have dwarf mode dungeons.

Trolling? Nah, they're from this forum. And Towns is a bit different from DF, even if it is heavily inspired by it. But I've always gotten the impression that they have a huge amount of respect for Toady and DF.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #28495 on: March 07, 2013, 03:58:01 pm »

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« Reply #28496 on: March 07, 2013, 03:59:57 pm »

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« Reply #28497 on: March 07, 2013, 04:02:16 pm »

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« Reply #28498 on: March 07, 2013, 04:03:32 pm »

I....I.....what.
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« Reply #28499 on: March 07, 2013, 04:05:44 pm »

Wha, It's catually hard to say what the hell happened here. I can see that a shirt like that might exist, but DAMN. One does no just ignore 911.
 
The real question is, why the hell is her son named Jihad?
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