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[Heron TSG]

Well, it's the judge's decision, and I respect the judge like the result enough not to question decisions. Let's just move on.

[Wolf Tengu]

Is it the next one? I vote for Youmu. Y'know, becuase she can slice stuff at ridiculous speeds.
She could use her ghost-half to scout out the Naga I suppose... depends on exactly how fast the Naga's reflexes are.Mind you, if you read her entry on the wiki...

If we haven't moved on disregard what I just posted.

[CJ1145]

Well, it's the judge's decision, and I respect the judge like the result enough not to question decisions. Let's just move on.

Hey, I didn't complain when Static lost to that cheating bastard Roland.

[HailFire]

Haha, jegus fuck.

Okay, so I'd already figured out some points/counterpoints for dealing with the Naga, but I went ahead and did some research to make sure I got my facts straight, and it suddenly hits me how retardedly powerful this thing is.

What kinda pisses me off is that it slipped under the radar since it had to 'fight' a joke entry on round one.

I'll give a rundown in the next post, but here's the link, poke around in there a bit.

And yes, it would beat Paul fucking Atreides.

[FuzzyZergling]

I think that the naga would win.
It seems to have mental weaponry that could harm both Youmu's physical self, as well as her phantom self.

[HailFire]

Alright, here we go;

-The naga is basically impossible to ambush, as Detect Thoughts lets it detect anything sentient that gets within 60 feet of it (works through up to 3ft of wood, which is most trees); particularly thick jungle foliage could reduce that range dramatically, but would prevent people from lining up a shot with a ranged weapon similarly (also, it can see perfectly fine in complete darkness)

-Natural armor comparable to giant's hide or (young) dragon scales, before it's armor buff (while still having superior reflexes for it's size).

-21 strength (18-19 is typically the absolute peak for humans), before it's strength buff (which gives it giant strength)

-Poison spit from up to 30 feet; it's not quite a guaranteed or instant kill (one minute between initial and secondary damage), but unless you have a superhuman constitution (or are really lucky), you can expect to kiss half or more of your health (and associated bonuses) goodbye (until it poisons you again by spit or bite)

And then there's the really fun part- it's spells.

Ambushing? Once you've detected your opponent victim, use Greater Invisibility to sneak in, followed (optionally, depending on the opponent's hearing/alertness/reflexes) by Expeditious Retreat and Divine Favor to catch the opponent before it can react, constrict and apply Divine Power, poison bite until the opponent submits.

Forced into ranged combat (somehow)? Good thing you put up your Mage Armor up to nine hours ago and have an arsenal of attack spells!

Melee combat? See above- it's hard to wrestle something that's up to 20 feet long and up to 500 pounds (did I mention it's as tough as giant, too?)!

Actually losing a fight? Stick a Light spell on the closest thing to his face, then Greater Invisibility and Expeditious Retreat out of there so you can heal. Is he still following you on your Detect Thoughts? Lesser Restoration your fatigue away and prepare another ambush! If not, slink away and rest to restore all of your spells.

Oh, I almost forgot- you will of course remember to slap Dispel Magic on all of your opponents who have magic items or spellcasting ability (with the sole exception of Sauron's ring).

Any questions?

[Wolf Tengu]

I don't know enough about Youmu to create a counter-argument...

[HailFire]

I don't know enough about Youmu to create a counter-argument...

This isn't an argument for the naga beating Youmu, this is an argument for the naga beating basically everyone.

There's not a damn thing Youmu can do once it dispels her and her swords- even with as proficient a swordsman as she is, it's big and tough enough to outlast her.

[Wolf Tengu]

I've a bias against the Naga.

The Nage seems that damn powerful though, I can't say much against it.

I'm going to match it agianst future opponents.

[CJ1145]

Static could have beaten it, but Roland kind of went and beat him, so now everyone loses.

See now, this wouldn't be happening if we'd just given Barney a pity round.

[Heron TSG]

18-19 is typically the absolute peak for humans

I've had human characters with 24 strength easily.

[HailFire]

Static could have beaten it, but Roland kind of went and beat him, so now everyone loses.

See now, this wouldn't be happening if we'd just given Barney a pity round.

That might not be happening if people didn't submit joke characters, and there had greater oversight over the submissions (as I keep mentioning, I know) 

18-19 is typically the absolute peak for humans

I've had human characters with 24 strength easily.

Depends on what flavor of D&D you're using- with the version I'm accustomed to, 18/00 was the default maximum, and you could (barring magic items/similar shenanigans) gain one attribute point every 4 levels.

ED: Also, Giants had strength from 21-25 rather than 25-35, so it could just be me being old-fashioned

ED2: How easy or difficult something is in D&D also tends tends to be fairly subjective, depending a good deal on how sadistic your DM is.

[CJ1145]

18-19 is typically the absolute peak for humans

I've had human characters with 24 strength easily.

Remember my guy Oedith? He had 25 strength at his peak, though that was with items. But it was still very easy to do.

[ed boy]

18-19 is typically the absolute peak for humans

I've had human characters with 24 strength easily.

Depends on what flavor of D&D you're using- with the version I'm accustomed to, 18/00 was the default maximum, and you could (barring magic items/similar shenanigans) gain one attribute point every 4 levels.

ED: Also, Giants had strength from 21-25 rather than 25-35, so it could just be me being old-fashioned

ED2: How easy or difficult something is in D&D also tends tends to be fairly subjective, depending a good deal on how sadistic your DM is.

I belive that it is 2nd edition that you are familiar with, but the naga is statted out with third edition rules.

As for the naga being overpowered, you have to remember that the naga can only cast its spells so many times per day. A breakdown is a such:

Spoiler: level 0 spells, 6/day (click to show/hide)

Cure minor wounds - cures a single point of damage, when the naga has a total of 93. not much use.

Daze - if the target has a chance of being dazed for six seconds

Detect magic - detects magic spells and items in a sixty-foot cone in front of the naga. As long as the naga concentrates on it, it lasts up to 9 minutes.

Light - creates a source of light that illuminates a 20-foot radius for 90 minutes.

Mage hand - can telepathically move an unattended object as a maximum speed of 3 feet/second. maximum weight of 5 pounds. Lasts as long as the naga concentrates on it.

Open/Close - since there aren't any doors or containers, this is useless.

Ray of frost - A ray of frost is emitted from the naga's finger and does minor damage. maximum range of 45 feet.

Read magic - No use on the island

Spoiler: level 1 spells, 7/day (click to show/hide)

Cure light wounds - Cures light wounds

Divine Favour - for 1 minute, the naga does slightly more damage and is slightly more accurate with its attacks.

Expeditous retreat - for 9 minutes, the naga can move an extra 5ft/second faster.

Mage armour - for 9 hours, the naga's scales harden and become harder to penetrate

Magic missile - a target within 190 feet is struck with five missiles, each of which do minor damage.

Spoiler: level 2 spells, 7/day (click to show/hide)

Detect thoughts - Can detect thoughts of all creatures within a 60-foot cone in front of itself. lasts up to 9 minutes, depending on how long the nage conentrates.

Lesser restoration - removes ability drain and lightens fatigue.

See invisibility. Sees magically invisible creatures as if they were real. Lasts 90 minutes

Scorching ray - Emits two rays, each of which deal significant damage to a target within 45 ft.

Spoiler: level 3 spells, 7/day (click to show/hide)

Cure serious wounds - cures some nastier wounds.

Dispel magic - Attempts to dispel magical effects and suppress magical item effects. If an magical item is supressed, it continues functioning normally in 6-24 seconds.

Lightning bolt - The caster fires a lightning bolt in a straight line in 120ft. Does large damage.

Spoiler: level 4 spells, 5/day (click to show/hide)

Divine power - Increases strength and chance to hit. However, the chance to hit is only increased by 1 in the naga's case. Also gains a few temporary hit points. Lasts for 54 seconds.

Greater invisibility - the naga becomes invisible for 54 seconds. Note that if the naga emits any light source, this is not supressed by the invisibility.

Note that the following apply to the naga's spells:

• In order to recharge them, the naga must do the following:
  

  • Each day, sorcerers and bards must focus their minds on the task of casting their spells. A sorcerer or bard needs 8 hours of rest (just like a wizard), after which he spends 15 minutes concentrating. (A bard must sing, recite, or play an instrument of some kind while concentrating.) During this period, the sorcerer or bard readies his mind to cast his daily allotment of spells. Without such a period to refresh himself, the character does not regain the spell slots he used up the day before.

• If any of the following happen to the naga while it is casting a spell, there is a chance for the casting to be interrupted and lost. The list includes, but is not limited to:
  
  • Injury
  • Affected by another spell
  • Injury
  • Undergoing violent motion (e.g. on a running horse)
    
  • Violent weather (extreme weather, like torrential rain)

• The spells have verbal and somatic compenents. If the naga cannot speak or cannot move, then it cannot cast spells.

Although a fully buffed naga would be completely overpowering, it cannot maintain is buffs for more than around five minutes, and refreshing them would limit its attack potential in that time.

Keep in mind also that the naga is not sneaky at all - the stats given do not list any ranks in hide or move silently. Even if it were to somehow sneak up on someone, casting a spell would reveal themselves, as the spells have a verbal component.[/list][/list]

[Heron TSG]

Depends on what flavor of D&D you're using- with the version I'm accustomed to, 18/00 was the default maximum, and you could (barring magic items/similar shenanigans) gain one attribute point every 4 levels.

18 is the maximum via point buy, then add a point for each 4 levels, then just get some gauntlets of ogre power or something. Just like that, 22 strength.