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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #840 on: October 31, 2010, 11:26:46 am »

Of course Static didn't die in the comics; he was the hero. If you kill him, who is going to be the main character?
Oh, not this bullshit again. Listen, that stupid rule applies to pretty much everyone in this competition, just as much to Roland as it does to Static. So stop saying that and look at it from an in-universe perspective, because if you're going to metagame like this every match it's just going to be an irritating slog through whatever new complaint you've got.

Static didn't die from our perspective because he's the title character. But if you look at it from the in-universe perspective (which, to my knowledge, was kind of the point) he didn't die because he was somewhat lucky and a hero skilled enough to figure out how to not get shot.

If the jungle is thick enough to prevent Static from seeing Roland, and earlier on stop a GDI disc thrower from getting any accurate shots in, chances are it would at least force Roland to take more careful aim. A fast-flying target would be somewhat difficult to hit on its own, but in a thick jungle it would take superhuman aim to even have a chance at hitting him with a weapon as dodgy as a revolver.

As for Barb's more legitimate question asked just a moment ago, I don't think any specific number has ever been given. How much power would it take to pick up that giant coin in the Batcave at 20 meters and roll it that distance in something close to two seconds? Because that's the thing that sticks out in my mind, but maybe there's a better example somewhere.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #841 on: October 31, 2010, 11:31:57 am »

Also, keep in mind that the canopy of the forest would be pretty thick, there's hardly going to be any visibility between those above it and those below.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #842 on: October 31, 2010, 06:48:36 pm »

he didn't die because he was somewhat lucky and a hero skilled enough to figure out how to not get shot.
7. The character must NOT rely heavily on luck.
As a super-hero protagonist that luck factor is crazy high. Your argument is that he doesn't get shot, therefore he is resistant to it, that is the metagaming. If someone can site an example of bullets being deflected, slowed, stopped, repelled, resisted, and/or anything else, then that would be a valid point. Just saying that it doesn't happen is pretty much meaningless.
I will concede that they are pretty good at dodging a known threat if they are prepared for it.

How much power would it take to pick up that giant coin in the Batcave at 20 meters and roll it that distance in something close to two seconds? Because that's the thing that sticks out in my mind, but maybe there's a better example somewhere.

That is magnetism, and rolling, it really isn't all that impressive compared to shooting lightning, which has all manner of issues and really ought to be impossible on a couple of different levels. I think that we have to just accept that their lightning works differently, and call it a form of magic that can be brought into the world.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #843 on: October 31, 2010, 07:01:22 pm »

he didn't die because he was somewhat lucky and a hero skilled enough to figure out how to not get shot.
7. The character must NOT rely heavily on luck.
As a super-hero protagonist that luck factor is crazy high. Your argument is that he doesn't get shot, therefore he is resistant to it, that is the metagaming. If someone can site an example of bullets being deflected, slowed, stopped, repelled, resisted, and/or anything else, then that would be a valid point. Just saying that it doesn't happen is pretty much meaningless.
I will concede that they are pretty good at dodging a known threat if they are prepared for it.
I'm just going to say it. RAM, when it comes to twisting people's words into monstrosities that don't even resemble their original selves, and then acting like a douchebag attempting to throw them in the speaker's face, you are almost as bad as Barbarossa. Almost. I'm beginning to suspect that you people's nonsensical reactions are somehow rooted in the old D&D campaigns we played.

Just because someone is a little lucky, that doesn't mean they're some damn leprechaun. Anyone that comes through a firefight without getting hit can be described as "somewhat lucky". All I'm saying is, Static goes through a whole super-heroing career and never receives a gunshot wound that's capable of crippling his physical capabilities. That is the definition of lucky. But even luck runs out, there has to be something besides that or else he'd be dead a hundred times over. Another thing that's worth mentioning is that Static Shock was a cartoon. I'm amazed they were even allowed to show gangs, if they showed people shooting at Static on a regular basis they'd have been ripped to shreds by the moral guardians. So instead let's think about this this logically: Metal weapons and bullets versus a person who can magnetize and move metal at will. Citation or not, it's pretty obvious what's going to happen.

How much power would it take to pick up that giant coin in the Batcave at 20 meters and roll it that distance in something close to two seconds? Because that's the thing that sticks out in my mind, but maybe there's a better example somewhere.

That is magnetism, and rolling, it really isn't all that impressive compared to shooting lightning, which has all manner of issues and really ought to be impossible on a couple of different levels. I think that we have to just accept that their lightning works differently, and call it a form of magic that can be brought into the world.

This is a contest with a robot that can punch people at 1,000,000 horsepower, an acid-bleeding hive mind predator that has all the powers of Spider-Man, a demonic roadie armed with a giant axe and the power of heavy metal, a telepathic half-bunny girl, a giant purple dinosaur, a man who can transmute objects by punching them, a 13-year old boy with hammers capable of manipulating time, and The Lord of the Rings . Don't start bringing logic into this now.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #844 on: October 31, 2010, 07:14:09 pm »

1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHvhiPCaeoQ Yes, Static can fire lightning.

2: Notice that he's FREAKING LOUD? I get that in a straight-up fight Static would be able to overpower Roland, but he's:
a) Flying
b) Shining
c) Loud
d) Purple

He couldn't be more obvious if he yelled at the top of his lungs as he flew. But because he doesn't know who's in his round, flying is the method he'd probably default to. Meaning he'd likely get shot at the start of the engagement, with Roland taking as much time as he likes to line it up.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #845 on: October 31, 2010, 07:21:00 pm »

1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHvhiPCaeoQ Yes, Static can fire lightning.

2: Notice that he's FREAKING LOUD? I get that in a straight-up fight Static would be able to overpower Roland, but he's:
a) Flying
b) Shining
c) Loud
d) Purple

He couldn't be more obvious if he yelled at the top of his lungs as he flew. But because he doesn't know who's in his round, flying is the method he'd probably default to. Meaning he'd likely get shot at the start of the engagement, with Roland taking as much time as he likes to line it up.

Don't ignore the whole canopy thing, considering it was stated by ed boy himself.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #846 on: October 31, 2010, 07:23:08 pm »

1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHvhiPCaeoQ Yes, Static can fire lightning.

2: Notice that he's FREAKING LOUD? I get that in a straight-up fight Static would be able to overpower Roland, but he's:
a) Flying
b) Shining
c) Loud
d) Purple

He couldn't be more obvious if he yelled at the top of his lungs as he flew. But because he doesn't know who's in his round, flying is the method he'd probably default to. Meaning he'd likely get shot at the start of the engagement, with Roland taking as much time as he likes to line it up.

Don't ignore the whole canopy thing, considering it was stated by ed boy himself.

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #847 on: October 31, 2010, 07:24:51 pm »

He can be as loud as he wants, but Roland has superhuman aim, not ears. You can't exactly pinpoint a shot by sound alone when you're outside.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #848 on: October 31, 2010, 07:25:02 pm »

1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHvhiPCaeoQ Yes, Static can fire lightning.

2: Notice that he's FREAKING LOUD? I get that in a straight-up fight Static would be able to overpower Roland, but he's:
a) Flying
b) Shining
c) Loud
d) Purple

He couldn't be more obvious if he yelled at the top of his lungs as he flew. But because he doesn't know who's in his round, flying is the method he'd probably default to. Meaning he'd likely get shot at the start of the engagement, with Roland taking as much time as he likes to line it up.

Don't ignore the whole canopy thing, considering it was stated by ed boy himself.

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So him making noise let's Roland accurately shoot him, despite the canopy blocking his view?

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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #849 on: October 31, 2010, 07:29:10 pm »

I haven't read Roland's source so I can't say what he can or can't do, but yeah. The main point is that Roland is almost certain to initiate combat, however it happens.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #850 on: October 31, 2010, 07:33:00 pm »

I haven't read Roland's source so I can't say what he can or can't do, but yeah. The main point is that Roland is almost certain to initiate combat, however it happens.

Well if he initiates combat by firing wildly into the canopy as soon as he hears Static, I can guess who's going to come out on top...
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #851 on: October 31, 2010, 08:04:28 pm »

It's a good thing that's in any way what I implied he'd do.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #852 on: October 31, 2010, 09:04:26 pm »

If Static's flying and Roland initiates combat, I assume that's more or less how it will begin.
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #853 on: October 31, 2010, 09:57:25 pm »

Or seeking out a position where he's likely to land or following him or attempting to gain high ground somewhere....
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Re: Fight to the death the second: Round two: Roland Deschain VS Static
« Reply #854 on: October 31, 2010, 10:41:45 pm »

I'm just going to say it. RAM, when it comes to twisting people's words into monstrosities that don't even resemble their original selves, and then acting like a douchebag attempting to throw them in the speaker's face, you are almost as bad as Barbarossa. Almost.
You do know that this is a game, right? There's no need to hurt anyone's feelings.

Don't start bringing logic into this now.
This in response to a question on how well he can shoot straight-up lightning? Static normally used electromagnetism. I wanted to know if he could use a straight lightning bolt to electrocute Roland in any range that Roland could shoot from. You're making it sound like I was trying to make Static sound like an impossibility.
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