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[Cruxador]

Yes, all land is worth taking, but it it worth taking provinces in Norway and Sweden that produce .8 tax a month and field thirty men, or it it more valuable to focus on the home front, securing valuable Italian and French provinces? The Vikings are a constant irritation, but an irritation at best, aside from occasional host invasions. Plus, if I deal in the Scandis and that province or its holder revolts, I have to send men on a long boat ride off.
The opportunity cost of messing around with tribals, not just vikingss, is high and the rewards are fairly low unless you're also tribal..

Then you might be interested in setting up a buffer state; converting a few duchies and then making them independent under a family member, so somebody else deals with the bother but you still have an alliance in case you need to make sure they don't get totally wrecked.

[Teneb]

Yeah, just because you conquered a place doesn't mean you have to keep it.

While doing my Caliphate Strikes Back run, pre-mystics, I ended up conquering Italy and inheriting chunks of the HRE. I actually only noticed the latter because the emperor DoW'd me. I just set them all free and went back to watching the Middle East. Was a good call too, Mongol doomblob rolled around and vassalised the HRE right after that. For whatever reason they went all the way from the Tarim desert to the HRE, but never bothered going south outside of HRE's Jerusalem. I suppose I should be glad, doubt the run would've survived it.

[Loud Whispers]

Yes, all land is worth taking, but it it worth taking provinces in Norway and Sweden that produce .8 tax a month and field thirty men, or it it more valuable to focus on the home front, securing valuable Italian and French provinces? The Vikings are a constant irritation, but an irritation at best, aside from occasional host invasions. Plus, if I deal in the Scandis and that province or its holder revolts, I have to send men on a long boat ride off.
The opportunity cost of messing around with tribals, not just vikingss, is high and the rewards are fairly low unless you're also tribal..

Vikings are all right once you figure out you only need to infect them with Christians, then they're pretty chill after that

[Karnewarrior]

I think at this point my Court Chaplains (plural, for reasons outlined shortly) spend more time in Swedish dungeons than their own rooms in my court. Every ten years or so I do another round of "pass off all the priests of the realm to the pagans" and send them out to preach, and only rarely meet with success. I also am apparently the only nation to do this, despite the fact that it allows me to get rid of unruly vassals ("Enjoy your trip to Khazaria, Lord Gunter!") without having to imprison them myself and take tyranny to get rid of them. Instead Fred the Viking knocks their block off and they're replaced by the next in line. Unfortunately since I usually play catholic, that means that Orthodoxy never really spreads unless the byzablob happens.

Although I will say this time that Orthodoxy's done quite well. They've basically replaced the Muslims at this point - I see that without the Abbablob, Arabia cannot hold itself against heresy. Unfortunately, with the purple attention elsewhere, Suomenusuko has been given the go ahead to become what it always knew it could be: GOD.

[Descan]

I think the AI only starts sending priests to pagan realms in the later time periods. When I'm playing a pagan in the Charlemagne start, I pretty much never get priests. Maybe once in a while.

 If I'm still a pagan in like, 1066? Or if I start a game then, then I'm inundated with them.

[scriver]

* scriver subtlily moves the historical record of priests imprisoned or murdered while preaching in Scandinavia under the carpet

[Karnewarrior]

* scriver subtlily moves the historical record of priests imprisoned or murdered while preaching in Scandinavia under the carpet

Hopefully this one doesn't get replaced by a shock image like last time I linked an image. Spoilering it for safety anyways.

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[misko27]

Yes, all land is worth taking, but it it worth taking provinces in Norway and Sweden that produce .8 tax a month and field thirty men, or it it more valuable to focus on the home front, securing valuable Italian and French provinces? The Vikings are a constant irritation, but an irritation at best, aside from occasional host invasions. Plus, if I deal in the Scandis and that province or its holder revolts, I have to send men on a long boat ride off.
The opportunity cost of messing around with tribals, not just vikingss, is high and the rewards are fairly low unless you're also tribal..

Vikings are all right once you figure out you only need to infect them with Christians, then they're pretty chill after that

But what do I do when the bloody Norse reform?

I had that problem in my Roman game. Damn Norse reformed, now I get to play goalie against aggressive Norseman bullying the continent.

[scriver]

Do what they did historically and prevent them from reforming by claiming Denmark for Christianity.

[Teneb]

Found this on reddit

Karming empire is a possibility now.

[Wiles]

I want to see one of Gliterhoof's descendants as emperor

[Loud Whispers]

But what do I do when the bloody Norse reform?

I had that problem in my Roman game. Damn Norse reformed, now I get to play goalie against aggressive Norseman bullying the continent.

Declare Germany to be a no-bully zone, from which you can then progressively strike into Denmark and then Sweden with deus vult bullying. Once Denmark and Sweden are allowed to bully everyone else things should calm down until the Icelandic menace devours the world. If the HRE gets bullied into oblivion all hope is lost, flee to India or pray to Odin for deliverance

[pisskop]

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So, in 978, byzantine is not on the table when they are unfied.  35k to my 25k or so.

I just finished sieging Rome to end their petty little crusade whille raiding italy to support my vassal germany in their effort to take land.

Hispania actually lost most of spain for a while, but are creeping back in.  For a while castille was the dominant iberian power.  As it is, they are now the de jure holders of brittany.  What a joke.

Egypt is the most powerful mussie, excepting maybe syria.  Khazaria has finally stopped reeling long enough to retake Rus, and Ruthenia is now mine.  I had a string of bad emperors, and cheating wives who needing murdering.  their sons also required murdering.  We almost lost the empire due to the thinning of the male lineage until a daughter with a non-pisskop was the heir.  But we fixed that.

Gonna keep going for a while to see what happens.  The catholic world is dead; shattered into heresies and a mixture of norse and my own conquests.  Speaking of, sweden and danmark are my religion now, as are several smaller counties around me.  those arseholes.



For my own, I just finished dowing every single small state next to me at once, in an attempt to game the stupid 'defensive alliance' system.  nom nom nom

[ZeroGravitas]

Depending on your retinues you could probably beat their 35k without too much trouble. With Italian or Scottish it'd be easy; with pure Defense retinues you could probably do it but you'd need to set up some good ambushes like moving your retinues to their border before war declaration and then cleaning up as many of their levies as possible before they combine.

[Tawa]

It's been really bothering me recently how the Byzantine Empire never falls in this game. Starting in 1066, the Byzantines lose Armenia, at most. It doesn't bother me as much in the earlier starting periods because there's plenty of time for history to fly off the rails before Byzantium's historical decline, but the gradual destruction of the Byzantine Empire was a driving force throughout much of medieval history, and Seljuk conflict was what really caused its death spiral to kick off, IMO.

If it were up to me, Suleiman Seljuk would be added to the Turkic conquerors, and he would always declare an invasion of Anatolia, which would be renamed "Rum" if held by a Turkish character (rather than Rum being an uncreatable titular title existing 1077 onward.)