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[Mictlantecuhtli]

Yeah. Lots of people did. Because it's to be used in certain situations where plotting and marriage isn't going to get you the desired result. Limiting the player in approaches to situations without replacing the lost choice with something just means the player is forced to use the silly plot killing system which hardly works anyway and takes way too long to get the results you're looking for. Hence; they deleted a part of the game that didn't need it in the name of 'balance' without actually.. balancing anything about it.

I find it hilarious that the notion of nobles hiring armed thugs to kill people at their discretion is.. unrealistic. Not as realistic as getting your arbitrary plot% to 1000% and hoping it doesn't just instantly fail after waiting two years. Because that's more fun. Especially when you realize you've lost a feature you can use effectively in other situations that aren't completely gamey, like 99% of user-paradox game interactions.


It's also a good gold sink. If a player really wants to screw around assassinating people all the time they won't be in a position to blob as easily. If a player wants to play like that there were trade offs. It doesn't cost you, the player, any effort to assassinate the most powerful person in the world in CK2. There is no inherent cost besides time and the money spent to bribe people. I feel 0 fear when I start a plot to kill the caliph of the abbasids, the pope, the HRE emperor, anyone. Because the AI doesn't care. They won't react even if they find out about the plot. They've totally neutered an area of player-AI interaction that used to atleast have some sort of retaliation. The only time plots aren't 100% safe for you is against your own realm, and even then the dishonor is negligible. But I don't know many players which do in-realm plotting [which isn't in the first few decades to get inheritance of your capital's baronies and certain counties], so even that trade-off is a bit weak.

Basically, I want the AI to actually give a damn about plots targeting them and retaliate accordingly. They got rid of that when the assassination button was arbitrarily removed and haven't put anything of comparable utility to replace the hole in the mechanic. I've never, ever, ever been assassinated by someone outside my realm since the assassinate button was taken out.

[mainiac]

I think I used the assassinate button more as an abdicate button than anything else.  Getting old and want my heir to take over in the prime of his youth?  Fire my spymaster, open up the character finder, and look for the highest intrigue ruler outside my realm.  250 gold later and my heir is on the throne.

1) Imprison
2) Free
3) Repeat until you fail to imprison
4) Immediately concede defeat to tyranny war

[EnigmaticHat]

I don't disagree with you about the assassinate button, in the sense that it shouldn't have been removed, but my experience with the game is that if you're in a position to use it you should already be so big it doesn't matter.  The cost of killing anyone important is around the cost of hiring a merc army, which as a small kingdom or something even smaller, is basically a won war unless your opponent does it too.

I think the plot button is fun because it takes the web of characters the game has and actually uses it for something  Its broken on a lot of levels but I've always believed multiplayer CK2 is only viable due to self imposed rules so whatever.  Assassinations are broken too because they make storing money too powerful; with 10,000 ducats there are still only a few merc companies you can hire, but with assassinations you could simultaneously kill someone and every single heir they have so they instantly lose the game.

Really they should just make it more detailed.  You should be able to have underworld contacts in your court (maybe not literally in your court but you know, represented there) and then when you pay them to assassinate someone, they start a plot to assassinate that person, which increases over time regardless of whether they have help.  That way that target can still detect them and respond, but you don't have to plot yourself to make the kill.

[Satarus]

I think I used the assassinate button more as an abdicate button than anything else.  Getting old and want my heir to take over in the prime of his youth?  Fire my spymaster, open up the character finder, and look for the highest intrigue ruler outside my realm.  250 gold later and my heir is on the throne.

1) Imprison
2) Free
3) Repeat until you fail to imprison
4) Immediately concede defeat to tyranny war

5) Say hellow to autonomous vassals.

[Mictlantecuhtli]

I'm hoping it's a big patch, with features added.

[dennislp3]

From the sounds of it...it hopefully is...they have said its not a big expansion like previous ones...so I can't imagine they can do a lot more than fix it while adding the small amount of stuff they are

[Teneb]

Looks like the expansion is out. Anyone already tried it out? Does it add anything significant enough to justify the full price?

[umiman]

I am a very mature and ethical person.

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[MetalSlimeHunt]

I'm trying to play After The End 0.3, but I can't get it to load up properly. Version is 2.2.1 like the thread for it stipulates, and I'm putting the files in the mod folder, but when I load the game up I just get the broken undefined Europe map you tend to get when a mod doesn't run correctly.

[Rolan7]

I am a very mature and ethical person.

[snip]

The longer I look the more punchlines I see
I... I didn't even know multiple non-spouse lovers was *possible*.  Wait, is that part of the new DLC??

[Descan]

I'm trying to play After The End 0.3, but I can't get it to load up properly. Version is 2.2.1 like the thread for it stipulates, and I'm putting the files in the mod folder, but when I load the game up I just get the broken undefined Europe map you tend to get when a mod doesn't run correctly.

Did you try the other mod folder? Some like going in the My Documents version, some like going in the Steam folder version. :v

And as always with Paradox titles, delete map cache :V

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Did you try the other mod folder? Some like going in the My Documents version, some like going in the Steam folder version. :v

I wasn't aware there was another one, I'll give it a shot. Elder Kings and their fancy installer have spoiled me to the harsh reality of mod installation. It's just like old times. Old....times....

* MetalSlimeHunt ponders the merits of an early death.

And as always with Paradox titles, delete map cache :V

how what now

[Cheeetar]

I am a very mature and ethical person.

[snip]

The longer I look the more punchlines I see
I... I didn't even know multiple non-spouse lovers was *possible*.  Wait, is that part of the new DLC??

Speaking from extensive experience- no, multiple non-spouse lovers was part of the game before the new DLC.

[Descan]

MSH: Go to your CK2 folder, find the "map" folder (it should be in the main folder) and then delete everything in the "cache" folder inside that "map" folder.

There may also be a map\cache folder in your My Documents CK2 files, delete that too just in case~

[MetalSlimeHunt]

There are a couple of .bin files that have the word cache in them, but no cache file. Also, the steam mod folder has a readme that's named Don'tPutModsHere, which, uh...