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Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« on: July 27, 2010, 09:55:12 pm »

How about creatures that die only if they come into contact with a certain material?
A RockWhale only dies when they come in contact with large amounts of water, for example (Of course, droppign a nuke on it would kill it, but that's a different story). And there are the myths with that one creature that only dies if it is shot with a silver bullet or something, not sure.
Since this is a fantasy world, it would fit in perfectly.
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2010, 10:04:51 pm »

This is already in the game.   Please use search and check the devlogs.

http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Syndrome
« Last Edit: July 27, 2010, 10:07:11 pm by Capntastic »
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2010, 10:18:45 pm »

Too bad Bay 12's search is shitty.
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 10:22:27 pm »

It's a hard thing to phrase a search for, but one should at least skim the devlogs and have a cursory knowledge of the game's present and future is before making suggestions.
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 10:22:54 pm »

How is this in game already?
A quick read of that wiki page does not reveal anything that makes a creature die ONLY from contact with a certain material.

Maybe you misunderstood my suggestion or I have misunderstood that wiki page.

Here, let me try to explain better.

Let's say a creature walks out of the caves and into your fort. You send your militia to attack them.
All their attacks do nothing to the creature.
That's because, let's say, the creature can only be killed/damaged if it comes in contact with water. I'm pretty sure your dwarfs aren't equipped with water guns.
The part where water kills/damages them can be modded in, for example, but the part that they can not be killed/damaged by any other attack/material cannot be modded in (As far as I know).

Please correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 10:24:59 pm »

Mod in some sort of indestructible material.  Make a creature out of it.  Mod in a material that destroys that creature.   Water specifically might be tricky because it's hard coded, I believe, but it is possible.
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2010, 10:30:05 pm »

Ok, then I'll change my suggestion to: "Can making creatures killable only by a certain type of material be simpler?"

Are you 100% sure I can do what you said?
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2010, 10:34:46 pm »

I don't see why it needs to be simpler, considering it's pretty niche, and any creature with that sort of immunity would need to be modded pretty extensively as is.  It also goes against the realistic procedural material systems of DF to have some sort of lizardman that can only be hurt by zinc, or similar, that can't be killed by crushing it with a lava flow or similar.   Having it be really touch and resistant to damage, but have a weakness to zinc, is much more realistic and plausible, and requires far less modding than my aforementioned method.
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 10:39:32 pm »

You have a good point there.
I am still in favor of a lizardmen that can only be hurt by zinc, though, since it is a fantasy universe after all.

Does your post imply that you are 100% sure the method you posted a few replies back will work?
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 10:47:17 pm »

Maybe but maybe not because even if you make a lizardman out of indestructonium, the game engine would still probably make being lava'd and obsidian'd fatal, or some other quirk.   This is because a literal unkillable-except-by-zinc beast doesn't make sense within the game's physics.  The game engine allows you to do a lot of stuff, but it's not a magic 'do everything i think up quick and easily' machine.

Edit:  Until the Magic arc happens at least.
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 10:49:41 pm »

WAIT.

You mean we can make Wer-Wolves vulnerable to silver now?
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 10:52:01 pm »

Not quite yet, I only think syndromes can be spread in a limited amount of ways currently.
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2010, 10:54:05 pm »

Argh, that's a bummer. Yeah, I'd heard before that mere contact with a silver weapon wouldn't count as syndromatic, but was hoping that had changed by 31.12.
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2010, 12:06:03 am »

considering the fact that gnomes are afraid of gnomeblight, I don't see why werewolves can't be modded to fear silver, unless weapons are unable to transfere stuff....
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Re: Creatures killable only by a certain type of material
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2010, 12:54:33 am »

I think making it easier, with a few exceptions, is a lot more fun.

Sure you could kill a werewolf with steel, but silver is a lot easier/
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