JanusTwoface:(1) You edited IronyOwl's quote, and misquoted him at that. (IMO, cutting paragraphs is fine, formatting for emphasis is fine, anything else is not.)
I advertised quite plainly that I was doing so, and felt justified as I was in a hurry at the time and it seemed the quickest and plainest way to convey my interpretation of his words. I am pleased to see that I was not misunderstood.
I'm guessing that your attack is based on this:
Even if you have a powerful role, trying to hide from everyone else and do everything yourself doesn't work, Org. If you won't explain why you're doing anything, we'll have no choice but to assume you're up to no good and lynch you. Scum are working together by default, Org. If town can't do the same, they're going to lose.
Nowhere in there does IronyOwl ask Org to roleclaim. He says that having a powerful role is not a get out of jail free card for not explaining yourself. It's true.
It is indeed based on that passage, and I believe my interpretation of his words is a valid one, whatever you think. I'd appreciate it if you'd let him defend himself from my accusations.
(2) It's only your second post of the game.
The other was RVS with a not terribly worthwhile question. While it would be useful to know if there are any Devils / Demons floating around, the only way that Jokerman-EXE would know is if he were one. And all he has to do is say no. So you jump from RVS to bandwagon.
I check Mafia once in the morning and many times in the evening. If if I want or need to say anything, I say it. Otherwise, I keep my mouth shut. It looks like lurking, sure, and if you want to argue that it
is lurking, be my guest. It's how I play all my games, regardless of alignment, and I'm sticking with it. I'm not going to post arbitrarily on a daily basis just to look active.
(3) You are the third vote on IronyOwl.
I've found (empirical evidence is all I have) that the third vote on a bandwagon is usually the most suspicious place to be in deadline games. That's the point at which it actually becomes a bandwagon and starts to gain momentum but before people just start voting to guarantee the lynch.
If no one voted third for fear of looking like a bandwagoner, things would go nowhere. I can't say or do anything to defend against that accusation save keep up my attack until IronyOwl clears or damns himself. Call me scum for it if you like. I have scumhunting to do.
Mr.Person:Three problems with this:
(1) You edited IronyOwl's quote, and misquoted him at that. (IMO, cutting paragraphs is fine, formatting for emphasis is fine, anything else is not.)
He said it was a paraphrase.
(2) It's only your second post of the game.
Irrelevant. This is a character attack that in no way proves IronyOwl's attack to be incorrect.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're not supposed to answer for other people. That's not what's going on, I'm FoSing Janus for bullshit. You make some good points, but those two bother me because they seem like the kind of attacks a person trying to make IronyOwl appear scummier than he actually is would say. You know, like scum trying to sling mud.
Are...are you buddying me?
IronyOwl:If you have a powerful role, tell us now "for the good of the town".
/paraphrase
Behind all your talk of strategy and working together, IronyOwl, is the most blatant case of rolefishing I've seen thus far. Explain yourself.
Nice try, scum. I could see getting that I wanted Org to reveal his role from looking at that out of context, but I can't imagine a method other than glancing at keywords that would imply I wanted anyone with a powerful role to reveal themselves (or Org to roleclaim only if he had a powerful role). Mind going over that in detail, or is two paragraphs too much to pick apart without revealing yourself?
More detail? Sure, why not?
Even if you have a powerful role, trying to hide from everyone else and do everything yourself doesn't work, Org. If you won't explain why you're doing anything, we'll have no choice but to assume you're up to no good and lynch you. Scum are working together by default, Org. If town can't do the same, they're going to lose.
Imploring Org to give explanations for his actions and work more closely with the town is simply a loosely veiled request that he reveal his strategy. Given his declaration that revealing his strategy would reveal his role, which you were explicitly responding to, this equates to your asking him to reveal his role.
You're rolefishing.
Only scum would be rolefishing D1, since the secrecy of their roles is one of the few advantages town has.
You are either scum or you don't quite grasp role strategy in mafia, in which case being lynched will teach you not to rolefish without a solid reason next time.