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Author Topic: Kael's going to be a wandering Buddhist monk: questions/discussion welcome!  (Read 7020 times)

KaelGotDwarves

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We always have flamebait religion threads, usually with theists and atheists calling each other out about everything and any tiny perceived faults. I don't think we've ever had a Buddhism thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

Within a month or so, I'll be serving as a monk in the Theravadan tradition. It's a temporary thing. It'll be a few months as I travel from temples in the Bay to forest monasteries and Thailand. I don't expect to achieve nibbana/enlightenment, but I'm going for my own personal growth and learning. As a philosophy/religion, I believe Buddhism has many concepts that can help anyone, including non-buddhists and practitioners of other faiths/ideals, lead better lives. For example, I fall under the wide umbrella of atheist, secular-humanist.

All of it comes from the realization that life is suffering, and there are practical methods of diminishing our pain - a middle path.

I've argued with, sworn at, asploded you in games, shot ya'll with giant cannons(bigger guns the better), and lit some of you on fire... but I do so with a warm sense of loving-kindness and compassion for all beings. May they all find peace. :)

If you have any questions, wanted to call me crazy, or ask me why I'm not becoming a D&D monk, feel free to do so.

What I'm interested in know is what do you all know about Buddhism, or what do you think/do you have any preconceptions about it?
« Last Edit: July 25, 2010, 07:28:37 pm by KaelGotDwarves »
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Become a monk in England.
Then you can do Gregorian Chants.

In all seriousness, though, this will likely be a very rewarding experience even if it's something you never go back to again.

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why I'm not becoming a D&D monk
Are D&D monks based off of Buddhist monks?

But in all honesty, I wish you luck in finding the madhyamā-pratipad.
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I can never seem to get along with Buddhists, they're all so uptight and closeminded.
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why I'm not becoming a D&D monk
Are D&D monks based off of Buddhist monks?

But in all honesty, I wish you luck in finding the madhyamā-pratipad.
They're based on the Shaolin in Tibet.

Good luck, Kael. I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for.
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Kael is looking for FIRE! In his heart.

Right? :P
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Sweet. Going to be one of the ol' Men In Saffron, you know, the Nonesuch Monastery. Good luck!
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Well, I think it's cool. As a secular humanistic pick-and-choose-theist I know Buddhism has some concepts that are valuable. I also know that it can be practiced as close-minded as any other religion.

If anything, it's at least a great experience, or you'll have a great story to tell in the bar.  :D
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Buddha was an awesome dude by all accounts, although if you are in it for feats, I know that Hindus get pyrokinesis and omniscience for a lawful-good alignment, while some Buddhist monks gets psychic levitation for  their devotion :P. Although if you were Vajryana, you could achieve nibbana in a lifetime, or come as a Boddhivista like the Dalia Lama. Asian religions class was fun.

Although I have to say that Theravada strikes me as the most pessimistic of the bunch, seeing as it takes multiple lives to wake up.
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First, I'm gonna make this post.  Then, basically, I'm gonna walk the earth.

What do you mean, walk the Earth?

You know, like Caine in "KUNG FU."  Just walk from town to town, meet people, get in adventures.

How long do you intend to walk the Earth?

Until God puts me where he wants me to be.

What if he never does?

If it takes forever, I'll wait forever.

So you decided to be a bum?

I'll just be KaelGotDwarves, Aqizzar, no more, no less.

No Kael, you're gonna be like those pieces of shit out there who beg for change.  They walk around like a bunch of fuckin' zombies, they sleep in garbage bins, they eat what I throw away, and dogs piss on 'em.  They got a word for 'em, they're called bums.  And without a job, residence, or legal tender, that's what you're gonna be -- a fuckin' bum!

Look my friend, this is just where me and you differ.

What happened was peculiar, no doubt about it, but it wasn't water into wine.

All shapes and sizes, Aqizzar.

Stop fucking talking like that.

If you find my answers frightening, Aqizzar, you should cease askin' scary questions.


Okay, all joking around aside, I'm as eager as anybody to find out what being a monk in the modern day entails.  Good luck to you out there Kael, and if you learn how to shatter a guy with your fingertips, or any other secrets of the universe, do come back to impart them to us lazy sods.

And everybody better recognize that long-ass conversation, especially since it's actually quite flattering to Kael.  Although it was surprisingly hard to find.
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There is a bit of superstition mixed in in a few places, but Budism is the sanest religion by ordes of magnitude. A mayority of the philosophy is actually valid.
If I didn't know quantum mechanics, computer science, evolutionary psychology, and a bunch of other things most people don't really know about, I might have even become one.
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Good luck, man. I hope you find what you're looking for, out there in the lush green forests of Thailand. (Sort of lush. Haven't been there.)
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There is a bit of superstition mixed in in a few places, but Budism is the sanest religion by ordes of magnitude.
After studying Buddhism for a week (intensively), I'd say you were being too general here, especially when it comes to Buddhism in Japan (they have a sort of "one true church of Buddhism" there).
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Thanks for the well wishes :)

As far as what it entails - There's 227 rules for ordained monks to be followed, according to the Patimokkha. I will be donning the saffron robes and my head will be shaved. I can only take food, shelter, water that is offered. There are various suttas/sutras/chants that will be memorized. My days will be spent in quiet meditation and contemplation over the nature of existence and reality as well as working with mindfulness of all things.

I like the Theravadan tradition - because even though as mentioned before it can be construed as a somewhat bleak view of the nature of reality, but I think it is a pragmatic one. Within the Theravadan tradition you have your own philosophical schisms. In particular I am partial to the teachings of Ajahn Chah and Ajahn Mun, who took to the forests away from the bustle of cities to seek their own "blowing out of the flame" -a literal translation of nibbana/nirvana.

The recent Buddhist reformations in Theravadan Thailand and the West (by pioneering white monks in the vein of Ajahn Amaro & also the Dalai Lama deserves mention) in the last few decades have attempted to bring Buddhism back to it's roots. Cut out the superstitions and ornate practices and elaborate temples. Renounce yourself and take a life of simplicity, seek the nature of what it means to be human so you may pierce it's nature and find an end of suffering.

Buddhism is unique in that it is a "non-theist" religion, which is why it is often referred to as a philosophy instead. The Buddha grew up within Hinduism, and thus the old Buddhist tales passed down by word of mouth mentions Hindu Gods, tales, and superstitions. Buddhism is so open that everywhere it takes hold, people imbue it with their past paradigms. Thus you get fusion with Taoism/Confucianism/Shinto/Hippie/western romanticism/etc spiritualism wherever it goes. The Buddha's direct teachings, when pressed about whether there is a God or Gods, answered "The existence of God/gods is not important, because they have no power over your mind or your happiness unless you let them". Therefore within Buddhism, the concept of a god is simply unimportant. Tell that to some people and they'll freak out.

In the Theravadan tradition, the Buddha is respected as a teacher, but he is just a man who achieved enlightenment. There are those that regard the Buddha and bodhisattvas as gods and follow other rituals, and I think that's great too. It's just not my personal belief.

The heart of the Buddha's teachings -The Four Noble Truths - simply:
1. Life means suffering.
2. The origin of suffering is attachment/desire.
3. The cessation/ending of suffering is attainable.
4. There is a middle path that leads to the cessation of suffering.

That Eightfold path being:
1. Right View   
2. Right Intention
3. Right Speech   
4. Right Action
5. Right Livelihood
6. Right Effort   
7. Right Mindfulness
8. Right Concentration

It's scientific to me; it's logical. I'm lucky to not at odds with my beliefs because of science or some vague moral ambiguities. It's more psychology than preaching. The Buddha also said, "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

The labels, ultimately, are unimportant, whether you fancy yourself Buddhist or a particular brand of whatever. A reason why I believe what I do is that it teaches me not to follow blindly or depend on anyone else for salvation or my own personal happiness. I think that's pretty fascinating.
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