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[WillowLuman]

Being "abandonware" merely means that it is old stuff and unlikely to cause trouble. Even if it was released as "freeware" they are not giving up their copyrights.

By abandonware I mean the company that created it completely dissolved, finding no buyer for the ip.

[RabblerouserGT]

Is this compatible with Linux?

[zwei]

Being "abandonware" merely means that it is old stuff and unlikely to cause trouble. Even if it was released as "freeware" they are not giving up their copyrights.

By abandonware I mean the company that created it completely dissolved, finding no buyer for the ip.

Individual authors can claim ownership of copyright thou, Abandoware is not really workking out as source of content.

If you can hunt down and ask whoever made sfx for that game for permissions, go ahead.

[WillowLuman]

Well the music is obviously off-limits, but none of the three names I came up with for sound design in the credits search lead to any email addresses. I do have the remote possibility of contacting some Canadian sound designer listed, which hopefully will lead to clearing of any ambiguity.

[Itnetlolor]

Here's something strange that has been happening to me lately, and I think it has something to do with SoundSense and a certain string of announcements. Apparently, if a Kea, or Kobold, or whatever other creature steals a wheelbarrow or minecart that's assigned to a track stop/hauling zone or stockpile, an announcement in the style of:

A Kea has stolen a *oaken wheelbarrow <#8>*!

or

A kea has stolen a ≡chestnut minecart≡!
(Mind you, this was an assigned minecart in a track stop/hauling spot outdoors; and this is usually the trigger for crashing the game.)

results in no sound playing, and DF crashing. I don't know if it has anything to do with a bug in the code or something. I noticed that the game doesn't crash when SoundSense is active. So this was my natural assumption of what has happened. I don't know if the bug was already fixed or not. I'm still using SSense r35 when it happens.

EDIT:
Even updating to the latest r38 version, it's still happening. And only when Soundsense is running, does it happen. And I remembered to update the soundpacks as well. Chances are that there was probably a stone inside the minecart as well or something.

EDIT EDIT:
Gamelog file lines up. It's the minecart, stolen by a kea, that keeps crapping up my game. With Soundsense active, it crashes; without, nothing wrong.

EDIT EDIT EDIT:
Oh...Kay. I may be wrong, because it still happened except with just DwarfTherapist active now. Maybe it's some sort of read error if anything else is reading the game (Soundsense or Dwarftherapist), because with neither on, it's fine.

EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT:
Screw it. Now it's just doing it no matter what. Could be a bug in the game itself. I think I avoided it last time by reassigning the minecart before the original went off-map. Seems to make the most sense. Sorry about that.

Here's the save in question, if you want to try and figure it out. It happens within the next 2-5 minutes, when a kea nabs a minecart from the main site.
DF 34.11, mayday graphics, region5 (Mostly LNP V15 stuff-based)
Sorry about the report. This is a stubborn bug in the game itself.

[WillowLuman]

Doesn't it play a sound of a kobold taunting you whenever something gets stolen by anything?

[Itnetlolor]

Well, you no longer need to worry about the bug. It was in the game itself, not SoundSense, and I remedied it by taking the trouble items, and burying them in a designated spot I will not mine out (actually, it's a hollow obsidian monolith I crafted using the Liquids plugin in DFHack). Other items of various other qualities have been stolen, and no crash, but the trouble items still crash the game. So the monolith is doing it's job protecting my fortress.

Spoiler: In case you're curious, this is what I'm talking about that dodges the bug. Not a fix, but a deterrent (A good reason to cheat). (click to show/hide)

It's a hollow 3x3x3 obsidian block (engraving optional) made to contain anything game-crashing; as well as when teleportation eventually becomes a DFHack reality, eternal prison for any creature you never want wandering at all, and want to contain them until they die off. Heads-up, upon reclaim, inside will be dark, and undiscovered. Reveal may be needed if this is the case; unless you don't need to see where you place things with Autodump).

I call it
Project: Black-Box.
(Named after those nigh-indestructible recorders in aircraft and other transportation that hold sensitive info on crashes. And it's also a pun on the obsidian artifact.)

Alternative name:
Project: Pandora's Box.
(Because you don't want the stuff inside to be let out (evil contained); and when it's empty, all that's left is Hope. Hope that the game won't crash when the items are in use again.)

It's immune to all outside forces (especially thieves (even flying ones) and magma that can damage or destroy the "sacred" game crashing objects in question), besides a dwarf's mining pick (Or using Liquids to replace an obsidian wall with a floor to get inside (if you want to engrave inside and out; like I did in the image; every obsidian tile, including the unseen center walls, are engraved)). Besides all that, the items within are Autodump-ed (DFHack command) into the interior of the hollow artifact. Announcements and gamelog.txt help me identify the problem items to seal for eternity whenever they come up. So far, the device works as intended, and I recommend it for anyone else suffering such bugs.

I engraved "warnings" all over it to make it more ominous looking in-game and in Stonesense, and any other visualizer. Fortunately, none of the engravings are masterwork, so my engraver won't go into a blind rage in case I melt off the markings when I dump magma on or near it.

I suggest you bury this deep underground, or in Hell, even, if possible; Or at least somewhere you will never access, or never intend to mine out or work on. Or in my case, a spot where it's aesthetically pleasing, yet easy to access, in case of repeat incidents. Plus, this is a proof-of-concept for me, so I'm closely monitoring it as I play; making sure nothing, somehow, teleports outside of it.

Sorry for bothering you guys. No further problems with SoundSense are to be noted for now. Thanks for the help anyway.

ADDENDUM:
All items sealed within should, logically, remain sealed inside when reclaimed. Especially seeing as there is no access to within it by any other means than mining through it directly. So, hopefully, no crash upon loading up the reclaiming effort.

[WillowLuman]

Alright, I just heard back from the sound designer, he basically says "I dunno." I guess that's a nix for uploading the sound then.

[Thundercraft]

Honestly, I do not believe the sound designer is the guy to ask. Why would he own the rights to material he created under employment of (or sold to) a company?

Even if a game company has truly and completely dissolved - with none of it's licenses, materials, or publication rights sold off to pay off debts - sometimes someone somewhere may still own the rights. If I were you (and still determined), I might try to contact whoever ran that company. Was it a privately owned LLC? Was there a project director?

But then, if it were me I would have assumed it a lost cause from the start. Are the sounds worth it? Otherwise, time might be better spent on finding sounds to fill the many, many gaps still in packSkeletons.zip (see Zwei's SoundSense site). Under "Modding resources" is a long list of CC and public domain sound sources. It's a time consuming process.

[WillowLuman]

I was going on the assumption that, with the company destroyed and no one buying their assets, then control of individual graphic/sound assets passes to the artists. But, the guy himself shrugged on who has permission to give permission, so that's the end of that. I assumed permission denied unless granted. It's just a particularly good death sound. Too bad

As for gaps in the packs, well, I have the tools to make some completely copyright free sounds of my own. I've got an idea for "Horrifying screams echo from the darkness below!"

[Quarterblue]

How do I make soundsense take dfhack into account? I loaded soundsense, the dfhack console, downloaded the latest soundsense.lua script and when I run the command "soundsense" I get the following error:

unexpected symbol near char(239)

[WillowLuman]

I made a sound, where do you want it to check it out?

[Thundercraft]

This is really Zwei's project and he's the one to approve sounds. When I submit sounds to consider I either send them via email (his addy found on his homepage) or, as I said earlier, I submit custom sounds to Freesound.org (or to some other sound source site listed under "Modding resources") and post the link to it via a post here or by PM.

Edit: Though, if you upload and post the link here I suppose some of us could listen and give feedback, such as suggestions.

[WillowLuman]

http://www.freesound.org/people/HugoLuman/sounds/178058/

For just after opening the HFS.

[sandi Mexicola]

I got a "Page Not Found" error when i tried to follow the link.