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[Nikov]

Once again, this is why my home defense rifle can shoot through walls, is solid hardwood for clubbing, and has a permanently attached bayonet. So many options of violence! So little overkill!

[Jackrabbit]

Yeah, unless you've got X-ray vision or your walls are so thin that you can immediately pinpoint where a noise is coming from and identify it as an intruder, I'm not sure why it's a good thing that your rifle can shoot through walls.

[Aqizzar]

Closed circuit TV.  Then you know exactly where they are standing, and you can get them before they get you.

Alternatively, shoot everywhere.  You're bound to hit somebody.

[Nikov]

X-Ray vision? If a baseball bat appears in a doorway, do you not presume someone is holding it to one side of the door frame?

And you're right. An AK-47 hits a barn door at 200 yards, but a Mosin Nagant hits a farm the next county over.

[Aqizzar]

X-Ray vision? If a baseball bat appears in a doorway, do you not presume someone is holding it to one side of the door frame?

Good thing nobody ever burglarizes occupied homes carrying guns.  Then you'd get into a shootout through the wall, and that would just be humiliating for everyone involved.

[Cthulhu]

I, for one, knew I'd need to see through the walls if bad guys showed up, so I acquired about 500 pounds of C4 and had it smeared all over every stud in the house, to be remote detonated at will.

Yes, "every stud in the house" includes me.

... Ladies.

[Jackrabbit]

X-Ray vision? If a baseball bat appears in a doorway, do you not presume someone is holding it to one side of the door frame?

That's a good point, I hadn't thought of that, I can see why having a rifle that can shoot through walls would be a good thing (but don't all rifles do that?). But at that stage I'd just tell him that I had a rifle that can shoot through walls aimed at where his balls should be, approximately, and hopefully sort it all out non-fatally. It'd still be useful to have a rifle to back the threat up, so I can see your point.

[Aqizzar]

Of course, the great thing about that storied Mosin Nagant is that you can even stab him through the wall if you wanted to.  Heck, even if you don't hit him, seeing that bayonet poking through the wall will probably scare him off.

I love this damn rifle.

[Nikov]

War is such a serious matter that the worst mistakes we make are those made out of kindness. -- Clausewitz

And yeah, even a weak old 30.30 carbine can punch through sheetrock. A 5.56 would punch a neat little half-centimeter hole in the drywall. But a 7.62x54R? That turns a wall stud into matchsticks. When the cinderblock wall you're squeezing against suddenly explodes into gravel a foot from your nose, you realize the joint probably has cheap silverware and this crazy gun-wielding nutcase likely keeps money invested in ammo anyway.

Also I wonder, with all the cop-hate elsewhere on the forums, why do people in here suddenly think cops are all they need to be safe from criminals? I mean, beyond keeping a tube of Astroglide behind the radiator in case its just a rapist and not a murderer. I for one trust a policeman or a stranger until he wants into my house.

My firearms are in a safe, by the way, unloaded and locked up where guests and children won't stupidly make statistics of themselves.

Fakeedit: I know, right? I opened a wine bottle with that bayonet once. Its not the first time its been done, I'm sure.

[Phmcw]

Except if he got a gun of course. I heard that fully automatics guns aren't uncommon among thugs in the us. In that case, or if they have modern handguns, this little joke could have you, and maybe part of your family killed.

And if your weapon are safe, you'll never get them in time.

[Aqizzar]

And if your weapon are safe, you'll never get them in time.

This is very good point.

Also I wonder, with all the cop-hate elsewhere on the forums, why do people in here suddenly think cops are all they need to be safe from criminals? I mean, beyond keeping a tube of Astroglide behind the radiator in case its just a rapist and not a murderer. I for one trust a policeman or a stranger until he wants into my house.

I can't speak for anyone else, but in my case - I trust the police when I call them out to my home, because I do believe the police in my area try to do their jobs.  I don't like them when they try too hard and too proactively, namely breaking search-and-seizure laws or making up charges.  To put it another way, I like the guy who responds to a call because he knows what he's looking for and it's not me; I distrust the guy on patrol because he's looking for anything, and might be willing to make up something to look for if he wants to.  Not to mention it's a lot easier to prove your word in court against an officer when it's your home, and not his prerogative.

Aside from that, you're once again conflating people calling reliance on guns a poor tool against burglary with a ridiculous strawman of someone claiming you don't need anything to protect against burglary.  Criticizing a solution is not same thing as denying the problem.

[ChairmanPoo]

Somehow shooting blindly through walls in a house shared with other people which the shooter presumably holds in some esteem sounds like a less than good idea.

[Nikov]

Except if he got a gun of course. I heard that fully automatics guns aren't uncommon among thugs in the us. In that case, or if they have modern handguns, this little joke could have you, and maybe part of your family killed.

And if your weapon are safe, you'll never get them in time.

You heard bullshit. The most popular weapon for an armed, career criminal is a mid-range pistol. Your average druggie might have a dirt cheap, unreliable pistol. Nobody robs a house with a fully automatic AK-47 for the same reason nobody uses MS Paint in the Pixar Render Farm. Their very expensive tool is able to do much more productive jobs. Not to mention the signature of an automatic weapon turns heads even in rural areas.

And yes, I trust the police if I call them out. And I trust the police on patrol, since I'm not committing any crimes and the court system will clear me (and likely land me a fat check) if I get falsely arrested as you seem to be concerned. But what I don't trust is that the police will be there before something bad happens to my family. Which is why I have the gun. If someone starts breaks into my home and kills me I'd rather die holding a rifle than a cell phone. The rifle can potentially remove all danger in one split second. The cell phone is five minutes or less. Its not perfect, but just as I view capitalism, I'd rather fail having trusted my own abilities. There is a dignity in that.

[Aqizzar]

If someone starts breaks into my home and kills me I'd rather die holding a rifle than a cell phone. The rifle can potentially remove all danger in one split second. The cell phone is five minutes or less. Its not perfect, but just as I view capitalism, I'd rather fail having trusted my own abilities. There is a dignity in that.

Dignity, maybe.  Also death, or God knows what kind of litigation if you shoot him first.  Not to mention the obvious point you glossed over that keeping a gun locked up and safe like you said you do, means that by the time you know you're being threatened, you won't be able to get that gun out and loaded any faster than making a phone call.

Which brings me back to my point again, that there's plenty of ways to protect your home that don't involve shooting people or threatening to do so, and will actually work when you're not home to hold the gun.  Like better locks and a loud dog.

[Strife26]

But I like to keep my house unlocked all the time, complete with directions to the ZRP taped in plain site inside. For home defense, I don't think that one can be the pump action 12 gauge with a nice buckshot.

I trust the sheriff and deputies (and any city cops) around here. Last time one stopped was when me, the father, and a few local baseball players (everyone was pretty drunk, sans the deputy and myself) were firing off some of my stocks of fireworks. The deputy chilled and watched for a while. Good times.