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[Xantalos]

The power company that did bad shit. I believe there was theft and profiteering involved. Then they went out of business.

Oh those guys.
Yeah that was bad and stuff.

[BlackFlyme]

I had to watch a two hour documentary on the Enron Corporation in school today. What a bunch of assholes.

Also, in marketing class we talked about Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, and how it applies to advertisements. When we were being shown ads, we had to guess which stage each advertisement was aimed towards. The problem is that, being psychology, the hierarchy is open to some interpretation. Whereas our marketing teacher was not, so any disagreement with what he decided an ad was meant for was shot down quickly.

It really annoyed me, having taken several years of psychology where it was pretty much nothing but debating, and now I'm not able to.

ENROOOOOOOOOO-
Wait which ones were those guys?

Started as an oil business, then moved on to electricity for a time in California. They folded in 2001, but convinced the U.S. government to deregulate corporations.

They lied about what they were actually making, made countless fake companies for the purpose of creating false revenues, and enforced rolling blackouts in California during a massive wildfire so that they could charge more for energy, despite there being more than enough to go around.

According to the documentary, they were over-charging energy by hundreds of dollars.

[Xantalos]

Oh I remember them now.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Basically, Monsanto if Monsanto controlled something that abusing too much could result in the public metaphorically trying to kill them over, followed by literally trying to kill them over.

[Darvi]

I disagree. He just described it, so it must clearly be thinkable.

[BlackFlyme]

I disagree. He just described it, so it must clearly be thinkable.

Not just think it, it was planned from the beginning. It was why Jeff Skilling (Enron's CEO) was pushing for deregulation so hard.

Because of an abuse of loopholes, Enron was able to put down "potential revenues" as actual revenues, and had reported profits of millions on deals that never earned them a penny.

[RedKing]

Youtube comment:

Radiohead is just a shitty Coldplay wannabe

No, I don't think they were being sarcastic.

[Sirus]

Didn't Enron also get involved in insider trading, or was that some other amoral utterly corrupt corporation that went down in flames that I'm thinking of?

[Parsely]

It does kill bacteria, but only in the sense it can be used to poison most cells, including human ones. Point is, there are better options for dealing with wounds, and using it in that fashion tends to come from a "if it was good enough for your forefathers it'll be good enough for you" point of view.

Of course anything that kills microscopic organisms is going to slaughter some of your skin cells along with the bacteria. It's sort of the point, and completely unavoidable.

[kaijyuu]

Your body fighting off those microorganisms will kill far more of your skin cells in the crossfire than applying some antiseptic would.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

It does kill bacteria, but only in the sense it can be used to poison most cells, including human ones. Point is, there are better options for dealing with wounds, and using it in that fashion tends to come from a "if it was good enough for your forefathers it'll be good enough for you" point of view.

Of course anything that kills microscopic organisms is going to slaughter some of your skin cells along with the bacteria. It's sort of the point, and completely unavoidable.

First of all, that isn't true. Some methods of microorganism destruction do not have any effect on eukariotic cells. This is part of why penicillin was such an amazing discovery (as I recall, it prevents the production of peptidoglycan, which results in bacterial cell walls undergoing structural failure).

Secondly, it isn't about whether it damages your cells or not, it is about relative damage. Hydrogen Peroxide is the scorched Earth of wound disinfectant. There's no reason to use it and lengthen your healing time when you have other, better disinfectants available.

[Parsely]

It does kill bacteria, but only in the sense it can be used to poison most cells, including human ones. Point is, there are better options for dealing with wounds, and using it in that fashion tends to come from a "if it was good enough for your forefathers it'll be good enough for you" point of view.

Of course anything that kills microscopic organisms is going to slaughter some of your skin cells along with the bacteria. It's sort of the point, and completely unavoidable.

First of all, that isn't true. Some methods of microorganism destruction do not have any effect on eukariotic cells.

Secondly, it isn't about whether it damages your cells or not, it is about relative damage. Hydrogen Peroxide is the scorched Earth of wound disinfectant. There's no reason to use it and lengthen your healing time when you have other, better disinfectants available.

Good lord man, you're acting like me putting a little peroxide on a scab is going to make it stick around for an extra month. You're being slightly dramatic.

[Putnam]

No, not really? I didn't read that at all. Better alternatives are available and that usually use them.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Good lord man, you're acting like me putting a little peroxide on a scab is going to make it stick around for an extra month. You're being slightly dramatic.

Accusing me of being dramatic does not refute my argument. The simple fact is that hydrogen peroxide is an inferior product in this day and age, and people have no reason to stick to it out of some bizarre sense of tradition, or any other reason they may have.

[Bauglir]

As a guy who works in a hospital pharmacy, it's not used as an antiseptic. I'm obviously not a perfect source on treatment procedures (you'd want a nurse or physician for that), but I don't think we even stock hydrogen peroxide in the inpatient areas. It might be used to clean a wound, but it's not to kill bacteria, it's because the fizzing helps physically remove dirt and debris that have gotten stuck (so, ERs probably have it). If it's about infection, the wound will be cleaned out with water, then they'll sew it up and put you on antibiotics. Or, if it's a shallow but wide wound, then they'll put an antibiotic ointment or cream over it. That's how we deal with sepsis these days.

Hydrogen Peroxide isn't going to add tons of time to recovery, but it doesn't even really do what MSH says it does - bacteria have all those enzymes to break it apart, same as you. It does nothing but hurt a lot, at least in the concentrations we're talking about. You can jack up the concentration high enough to make it a disinfectant, but then it'll be causing serious damage to you, instead of just slowing down healing and encouraging scarring.