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[smigenboger]

Oh I don't take discussions on ancient 'what could've beens' seriously. I don't know enough about that part of the world to make a case anywhay

[DJ]

All our arguments here are pretty stupid. As an example: What era of knight are we talking about versus what era of samurai or versus what era of crowd of peasants?

Let's take pinnacles of each. For the knight a suit of Maximilian plate and a zweihander, for the samurai  O-Yoroi and a yari (since it goes better with the armour than a katana). Mobs of peasants are just mobs of peasants, no matter what period.

I don't see the yari doing much against the knight's armour. Nor katana, if you prefer it.

[Soadreqm]

Modern-day mobs of peasant-equivalents sometimes carry semi-automatic pistols. One of those would probably give you a bit of an edge against any unit that has never seen gunpowder before.

[Jackrabbit]

First person to invent a time machine gets to conclusively win an internet argument. History will be made!

[DJ]

Wow, you guys still have peasants?

[Jackrabbit]

Wow, you guys still have peasants?

What's the definition?

[DJ]

I thought that peasant is a synonym for serf.

[Soadreqm]

Note that I said "peasant-equivalents". Both poor people and manual laborers still exist. For purposes of military strategy, I guess you could generalize "peasant" to encompass absolutely everyone with no combat training.

[eerr]

and then you give them guns.

[DJ]

In that case let's use tanks as knight-equivalents, since they're both shock troops.

[Jackrabbit]

Where did this discussion end up?

Oh that's right. In another debate between nerds who's knowledge of the subject begins and ends with Total War and C&C.

Gosh, this'll definitely lead to some meaningful discussion, as both sides clearly know what they're talking about.

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I'm trying out some Aqizzar-casm.

[DJ]

We heard that just fine the first time, thank you very much. It's still not any less fun.

[Jackrabbit]

Just testing it out, you understand.

[Nikov]

Tanks aren't shock troops, they're tanks and a potent part of the tank/mech infantry/SP artillery/SP AA quad-fecta of modern offensive land warfare.

Anyway a knight is going to beat a samurai because of the armor. Even chainmail is effective against slashing draw cuts from a katana. Although I'm not sure why the knight is even getting off his horse. Samurai weren't big horsemen, were they? I seem to recall some bizzare law banning all but 500 from riding horses or somesuch. Around the time they banned the wheel.

[DJ]

Then how do you explain Tank Shock?!