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Re: An african american spiderman.
« Reply #75 on: June 03, 2010, 05:01:54 pm »

While we're at it, we should cast Arabian Nights with all Russian people, and re-make The Gods Must be Crazy with Asian Bushmen.
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« Reply #76 on: June 03, 2010, 05:05:39 pm »

While we're at it, we should cast Arabian Nights with all Russian people, and re-make The Gods Must be Crazy with Asian Bushmen.

But uh, the thing about that is that race is an integral part of those stories. Arabian Nights is set in Arabia. If you wanted you could recast it with all Russian people and have basically the same story but calling Arabian Nights would be stupid because it's not set in Arabia. The Gods Must be Crazy could be done with Asian Bushmen if you change the plot but again, the plot demands that they be Africans so re-writes would be required.

When it comes to Spiderman, his race was never important to the story or the universe he was set in.
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« Reply #77 on: June 03, 2010, 05:08:20 pm »

Black Spider-man wouldnt work.

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« Reply #78 on: June 03, 2010, 05:09:43 pm »

Because then all the other tribes'd get pissed off.
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« Reply #79 on: June 03, 2010, 05:12:18 pm »

Captain Native-American!

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« Reply #80 on: June 03, 2010, 05:13:54 pm »

Here's my take on which characters "can" or "could" get such obvious changes as race - is the moviegoing public already familiar with them?  This talk of "alternate universes" and such is complete bullcrap.  How many of the millions of people who went to see The Dark Knight ever actually read a Batman comic?  Same for how many people saw Spiderman, versus even the number of people who watched the old Spiderman cartoon?  How many people who went to see Iron Man 2, the most hyped movie in history, even knew Nick Fury was a comicbook character?  I'd be astounded if it was even 5%.

Jude put it best, that making Spiderman black would be a stupidly obvious way of shoehorning tokenism into a very old liscence.  But the real reason why you can make Nick Fury black but not Spiderman, is because only genuine nerds could or would complain about one, whereas the other, everyone who would go see a superhero movie already knows.

Apparently there's also a Batgirl. And a Nightwing and a Robin. And several other characters. Damn it, I'm not a Batman fan, this is just unfair! I can't keep track!

Nightwing was the original Robin, before he growed up, got tired of playing second banana, and set out to be a brooding antihero himself.  The "current" Robin is actually the third one, not counting the girl Robin from "The Dark Knight Returns".  Batgirl and Batwoman are two different characters - I don't really know who Batwoman is myself, except some kind of derange admirer or something.  Batgirl was Commissioner Gordon's daughter who started out pretending to be Batman, but then "The Killing Joke" became cannon, and now "Batgirl" is "Oracle", Batman's resident Quest Compass and the comic world's hottest lesbian on wheels.

Black Spider-man wouldnt work.

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Because he didn't get his powers from being American.  He was a soldier in WWII who got the Super Hero Serum.  Not exactly a job the Army would have given to a non-white in the 1940s.
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Re: An african american spiderman.
« Reply #81 on: June 03, 2010, 05:15:56 pm »

Ok, a Native American Captain American.
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« Reply #82 on: June 03, 2010, 05:16:42 pm »

Ah, I was thinking of a game call 'The Movies' (I believe) where you could cast anyone for any role, often with hilarious results.

I guess this is sort of like the Black Santa problem, where it's not necessarily an issue of race, but the adaption from the original idea is a little unsettling.

It sounds a little bigoted, but this wouldn't be a problem with post-integral works. What I mean is Spiderman has somewhat of a story about a white, nerdy guy who gets his troubled life in a positive direction, whereas a story such as Hancock doesn't have an assumed race or lifestyle to it, making it more flexible. The same could possibly be said with Watchmen, and most other cartoons set after the 1970's. I think kid's cartoons could attest to that, even though they tend to do it in an anvilicious way.
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« Reply #83 on: June 03, 2010, 05:21:42 pm »

I think kid's cartoons could attest to that, even though they tend to do it in an anvilicious way.

I couldn't stand when my cartoons got anvilicious on me! Seriously, its the worst thing that can be done to a work of art.
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« Reply #84 on: June 03, 2010, 05:30:54 pm »

When they pull it off really well, it's one of the best things.

Moments like that are so rare as to be nonexistent though.
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« Reply #85 on: June 03, 2010, 05:31:30 pm »

Nightwing is Robin after he decided to be on his own, right?
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« Reply #86 on: June 03, 2010, 05:32:23 pm »

Nightwing is Robin after he decided to be on his own, right?

And he's the sexiest man in the universe.

No, really. That's canon.
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« Reply #87 on: June 03, 2010, 06:00:24 pm »

I think the real question here is if America is ready for a black spiderman. ;)
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« Reply #88 on: June 03, 2010, 06:10:46 pm »

I think the real question here is if America is ready for a black spiderman. ;)

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« Reply #89 on: June 03, 2010, 06:13:04 pm »

Nightwing is Robin after he decided to be on his own, right?
And he's the sexiest man in the universe.
No, really. That's canon.
I was waiting for a "wut" but apperently I'm the only person who finds this really really strange.
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