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[Dave Mongoose]

The dwarves started it, by killing an elven king for his treasure (at least, that's how it happened in Tolkien's books).

[Vester]

The elves started it, by eating the dwarves. No, seriously. They hunted them like animals.

This is in the same book you're citing, incidentally. (The Silmarillion).

[Dave Mongoose]

The elves started it, by eating the dwarves. No, seriously. They hunted them like animals.

This is in the same book you're citing, incidentally. (The Silmarillion).

They hunted and killed the petty dwarves (but not even the other dwarves liked them), but it doesn't say anything about eating them...?

[Vester]

The elves started it, by eating the dwarves. No, seriously. They hunted them like animals.

This is in the same book you're citing, incidentally. (The Silmarillion).

They hunted and killed the petty dwarves (but not even the other dwarves liked them), but it doesn't say anything about eating them...?

WAIT

You're right, and also the petty dwarves are closer to gnomes.

My bad.

Yeah, the dwarves totally started it.

[Jackrabbit]

Magma.

[Firehound]

the serious reason is that pre 31.x elves brought nothing of worth other than cloth unless you almost got them to declare war. While this is useful for players without a working cloth trade yet, it was useless if you had one.

[Mr Doctor]

The reason?

I've been playing Arcanum too much, so it's because Dwarfs have a +5% Technological Aptitude while Elves have +5% Magickal Aptitude.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

And the whole banishment of the Black Mountain Clan for spreading technology to the Humans didn't exactly help either.

[Graygan]

We dwarven types hate the Elves because they're closely allied with one of the most evil, dangerous, horrid, hateful, spiteful, cruel, sneaky, and devious species in all of creation.

I will let the famous dwarf, Durkon, explain just how horrible these creatures are...

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0150.html

[Psieye]

the serious reason is that pre 31.x elves brought nothing of worth other than cloth unless you almost got them to declare war. While this is useful for players without a working cloth trade yet, it was useless if you had one.

Wait, they brought more useful things if you got them close to war?

[Kidiri]

the serious reason is that pre 31.x elves brought nothing of worth other than cloth unless you almost got them to declare war. While this is useful for players without a working cloth trade yet, it was useless if you had one.

Wait, they brought more useful things if you got them close to war?

Not exactly. The more profit you gave them, the more cloth they would bring. So if you robbed them from everything they had on a regular basis, they were more prone to bring along exotic animals. Which are always awesome.

[Dakkan]

Those exotic animals were the only thing stopping me from slaughtering every elf that visits my fortress. I think I'll start an elf kill counter!


That'll teach 'em for not bringing me elephants and giant eagles.

[Sarvesh Mossbeard]

Because we can. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ElvesVsDwarves

[Deathworks]

Hi!

Actually, I think it is a mixture of trying to be in the in-crowd by mimicking what others say and some myths/misconceptions.

For instance, people are still bringing about the myth about the more you trade with them, the more cloth you get before 31. That is definitely not true. I have always traded with them as long as I played my fortresses, and in various 3D versions, I got bears, giant eagles, and other interesting animals on a regular basis.

And I never stole from the elves, and tried to make my trade depot attacker safe (having no military, I had to rely on traps and so on, so it was not always possible).

Deathworks

[Jackrabbit]

the serious reason is that pre 31.x elves brought nothing of worth other than cloth unless you almost got them to declare war. While this is useful for players without a working cloth trade yet, it was useless if you had one.

Wait, they brought more useful things if you got them close to war?

Not exactly. The more profit you gave them, the more cloth they would bring. So if you robbed them from everything they had on a regular basis, they were more prone to bring along exotic animals. Which are always awesome.

It's actually that they bring cloth in such huge bundles that in most cases the cloth is more expensive then that giant eagle you've been waiting for. So it pays to piss them off and make them bring the cheap goods.

[Nikov]

The dwarves started it, by killing an elven king for his treasure (at least, that's how it happened in Tolkien's books).

Killed him only after the king insulted them and called them 'stunted ones'. Before that they were halfway polite about not wanting to give back their necklace.

Frankly Thingol was totally walking into that one and should never have said, "Hey you twelve dwarves, combine the greatest Elven gem with the greatest Dwarven jewelry and I'll pay you in non-priceless coinage when I go into your workshop unarmed and alone a month later." He should have just hired one alcoholic dwarf, paid him in a lifetime pension with free unlimited wine, and picked up the necklace while the dwarf was in a alcoholic haze. That would have prevented so many problems.