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[Paul]

I haven't did major testing, but steel works great for traps. It's probably the best (other than adamantine), since all the traps are piercing or slashing - no blunt trap weapons.

Steel serrated disks are brutal.

[Urist McDepravity]

We need to compare it to glass discs. Steel is too precious to waste on traps.

[Paul]

Steel? Precious?

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What kinda fort are you running?

I currently have 173 steel bars, and my military is equipped entirely in masterwork steel gear. I already traded away probably 100 pieces (if not more) of lower quality steel gear that I didn't want. I have about 50 bins made of steel and many of my doors are made of steel. My trade depot is steel. All my magma pumps are made out of steel (steel block, steel pipe, steel screw). My entire dining room is made of steel chairs/tables.

I haven't even dented the amount of hematite, limonite, and magnetite that's available. All I've really mined out was two big magnetite clusters and a couple veins each of limonite/hematite. I also have 117 free dolomite sitting around waiting for more ore, with plenty more in the ground.

Steel is so abundant I don't know what to do with it all.

The only metal I see as precious is aluminum, you don't find that much of it. I trade for it in the caravans and currently have a crazy scheme of eventually replacing all the fortresses wooden barrels with aluminum barrels.

[Proteus]

We need to compare it to glass discs. Steel is too precious to waste on traps.

AFAIK glass trap components already have been tested and found to be ineffective

[Adamantine Fist]

Steel? Precious?

...

What kinda fort are you running?

I currently have 173 steel bars, and my military is equipped entirely in masterwork steel gear. I already traded away probably 100 pieces (if not more) of lower quality steel gear that I didn't want. I have about 50 bins made of steel and many of my doors are made of steel. My trade depot is steel. All my magma pumps are made out of steel (steel block, steel pipe, steel screw). My entire dining room is made of steel chairs/tables.

I haven't even dented the amount of hematite, limonite, and magnetite that's available. All I've really mined out was two big magnetite clusters and a couple veins each of limonite/hematite. I also have 117 free dolomite sitting around waiting for more ore, with plenty more in the ground.

Steel is so abundant I don't know what to do with it all.

The only metal I see as precious is aluminum, you don't find that much of it. I trade for it in the caravans and currently have a crazy scheme of eventually replacing all the fortresses wooden barrels with aluminum barrels.

I find that steel is generally too much of a hassle to make to waste on things like tables and barrels and doors. Lead, zinc/brass, and (especially) nickel are all great materials for things like barrels and bins. Not really useful for much else, as they're not very valuable, and thus aren't good for trading, and you can't make weapons or armour out of them. Bronze would be my favourite material for weapons and armour until I get my steel industry running, and even then is still something I like to use. It's simple, easy to make, the raw materials are two of the most abundant minerals on the map, and if you're not using magma, it's incredibly fuel efficient if you make it from ore.

[zagibu]

Lead barrels? Your dwarves must be some heavy metal fans indeed...

[Dwarf]

*ba-dum tish*

[Shoku]

If glass still works on flesh and you're stingy from conditioning back in 40d you could still make a quick row of traps to beat up the sneaky types running away because "gasp" they weren't able to walk all the way through your entryway without someone running near them.

[Urist McTravis]

does anyone know where picks rate as weapons in 2010? i usually run a miners militia early game. wondering how efficient it is in this version.

[VerdantSF]

does anyone know where picks rate as weapons in 2010? i usually run a miners militia early game. wondering how efficient it is in this version.

Miners are great.  I've seen estimates that picks are about 70% as effective as a battleaxe of the same material.  However, even with the reduction in damage, miners generally have great skill in the use of their picks, since mining *and* combat with picks give mining xp.  Their usually higher weapon skill tends to lessen the damage gap until axedwarves max-out.  It's not uncommon for a miner to be my top goblin killer in the early game.

[Rolan7]

does anyone know where picks rate as weapons in 2010? i usually run a miners militia early game. wondering how efficient it is in this version.

Miners are great.  I've seen estimates that picks are about 70% as effective as a battleaxe of the same material.  However, even with the reduction in damage, miners generally have great skill in the use of their picks, since mining *and* combat with picks give mining xp.  Their usually higher weapon skill tends to lessen the damage gap until axedwarves max-out.  It's not uncommon for a miner to be my top goblin killer in the early game.

You have struck goblinite!

[Daenyth]

Dwarven SCIENCE like this is what makes me love df.

[zagibu]

I've updated the tables with wound information. Noone has provided any wound classification, so I've used this:

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@pattern_wounds = ("bruising the \(fat\|skin\|muscle\|bone\)\|tearing apart the \(fat\|skin\)\|shattering the nail",
"shattering the bone\|jamming\|tearing the muscle\|tearing apart the muscle\|tendon has been torn",
"severed\|artery has been opened");
First line is light wounds, second medium and third heavy. If this is not good enough for you, feel free to use your own patterns and reprocess the information (you need the combat logs and calculate_details.pl, which you can get in the original post).

I'll eventually upload a spreadsheet with all the data for further analysis, but this is manual labor and might take a while...

[zagibu]

Despite my earlier comments dismissing the necessity of crossbow tests, they do seem to behave differently than cc weapons. I've tested e.g. adamantine bolts, and they were pretty useless. Anyone has some insight already or should I begin to run some tests on my own?

[Narmio]

Despite my earlier comments dismissing the necessity of crossbow tests, they do seem to behave differently than cc weapons. I've tested e.g. adamantine bolts, and they were pretty useless. Anyone has some insight already or should I begin to run some tests on my own?

Ranged weapons have a hard speed cap for the projectiles.  I'm not certain, but I think it might be quite low, which means most bolts are reaching this speed limit and thus force is being mostly determined by projectile weight.  That's my theory at least.