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[Lamphare]

Dwarf Fortress Wiki > DF2010:Sun berry > Bugs

Like all plants with the [GOOD] and [EVIL] tags, sun berries currently don't show up anywhere.

As a temporary workaround, why not delete all the [GOOD] and [EVIL] tags from "plant_standard.txt" and all the "plant_botany_xxxx.txt"? Then these bugged plants should show up. Although, they'd show up in biomes they're not supposed to...

You could replace the [GOOD] and [EVIL] with "" or empty space. Even better, you could replace them with !GOOD! and !EVIL! as placeholders that get ignored by the game.

Ouch, I didn't notice this bug. Your solution works for the time being until it's fixed. Is the grass bugged the same way, or only plants? Since they are different instances, I think they are unrelated, but it's still safer to ask .

Just did a quick test with tomi's version,
there are three shrubs with [GOOD] tag, crystal cane, sunberry and moonberry
generated a new world and embarked on 7x7 temperate joyous woods forest with two streams joining together (to satisfy [WET] plants)
and dfprospector gives me

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Shrubs:
          BERRIES_PRICKLE : 834
              ROOT_CARROT : 823
       STEM_MUSHROOM_BLUE : 668
              ROOT_RADISH : 635
         GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE : 468
                VINE_WHIP : 448
             GRAIN_BARLEY : 394
   STEM_MUSHROOM_IMPERIAL : 382
       BERRIES_STRAW_WILD : 375
                ROOT_HIDE : 370
              BUSH_QUARRY : 341
                LEAF_HOPS : 319
             CANE_CRYSTAL : 316
      MUSHROOM_CUP_DIMPLE : 305
         CAVE_CORN_ALBINO : 297
           GRASS_TAIL_PIG : 291
               WEED_BLADE : 210
           GRAIN_AMARANTH : 206
             BERRIES_GLOW : 186
              CAVE_POTATO : 184
    MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP : 156
         CAVE_BEAN_ALBINO : 154
             CAVE_PUMPKIN : 142
               ROOT_STONE : 137
              STEM_COTTON : 128
                POD_SWEET : 125
               BOIL_BLOOD : 113
           BEAN_SUNFLOWER : 82
             STALK_PURPLE : 80
               ROCK_MELON : 58
               CAVE_CHILI : 58
             ROOT_TRUFFLE : 53
                 WEED_RAT : 51
               BERRY_MOON : 37
         FRUIT_WATERMELON : 23
>>> TOTAL = 9449

Wood in trees:
              TUNNEL_TUBE : 1380
         BROADLEAF_POPLAR : 1378
          CONIFER_CYPRESS : 1357
                     PINE : 1290
              CONIFER_FIR : 1279
               SPORE_TREE : 964
                  FEATHER : 635
                    LARCH : 504
              CONIFER_YEW : 286
    CONIFER_PUZZLE_MONKEY : 242
              BLOOD_THORN : 188
                 CHESTNUT : 141
                 HIGHWOOD : 118
          CONIFER_HEMLOCK : 101
>>> TOTAL = 9863

to further testify this problem, i generated a new world and chose a same 7x7 forest with stream
but this time i embarked in a hot sinister area
and get

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Shrubs:
              ROOT_CARROT : 1023
              ROOT_TURNIP : 722
              THORN_SHARD : 689
             GRAIN_BARLEY : 532
                ROOT_HIDE : 531
       BERRIES_STRAW_WILD : 530
       FRUIT_BLACKCURRANT : 526
   STEM_MUSHROOM_IMPERIAL : 518
                POD_SWEET : 506
         CAVE_BEAN_ALBINO : 501
          GRAIN_BUCKWHEAT : 493
              CAVE_POTATO : 486
           GRASS_LONGLAND : 462
           GRASS_TAIL_PIG : 416
               BOIL_BLOOD : 333
    MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP : 281
             LEAF_CABBAGE : 277
               WEED_BLADE : 256
         GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE : 223
      MUSHROOM_CUP_DIMPLE : 220
                LEAF_HOPS : 218
               NIGHTSHADE : 180
               CAVE_CHILI : 174
             ROOT_TRUFFLE : 123
           BEAN_SUNFLOWER : 109
               CAVE_CACAO : 109
               ROCK_MELON : 80
               GRAIN_RICE : 42
>>> TOTAL = 10560

Wood in trees:
         BROADLEAF_POPLAR : 2586
           CONIFER_SPRUCE : 2115
                     PINE : 2104
              TUNNEL_TUBE : 1858
                    LARCH : 868
               SPORE_TREE : 847
                GLUMPRONG : 487
              BLOOD_THORN : 182
                 CHESTNUT : 111
>>> TOTAL = 11158

surprisingly, glumprong and thorn shard appeared, but not sliver barb, even though my embark satisfied all its requirements, just as the last one did for sunberry.

maybe there is just not enough space for them, maybe.

so to take it to the next level. new world, 12x12... oops crashed
same world... 10x10 warm/hot serene swamp with a stream
loads of moonberries and crystal canes. not a trace of sunberry.

new world... 10x10 warm serene shrubland with two streams
scarce moonberries and many crystal canes, no sunberry.

one more new world for good plants... 10x10 warm serene broadleaf/conifer forest with a brook
some moonberries and crystal canes, no sunbbery.

evil plants
new world, 10x10 sinister(with little haunted) warm swamp with one stream
lol there is a cyclops 20 tiles away from my waggon
thorn shards and glumprongs, no sliver barb

new world, 10x10 temperate sinister savanna/haunted shrubland with two streams
thorn shards and glumprongs, no sliver barb

new world 10x10 tropical hot haunted forest with a stream
thorn shards and glumprongs, no sliver barb

i guess this renders the problem with only sunberry and sliver barb, rather than [GOOD] n' [EVIL] tag
and there are no (structural) differences between sunberry and moon berry in raw, excpet sunberry has [EDIBLE_VERMIN] [EDIBLE_COOKED] under its seed section, if that matters its disappearance.

conclusion:
DARN you sunberry and sliver barb!

[NotAQuisling]

You don't. Just download it and it's all ready to go, prepacked with the DF files as well as the mod files. Enjoy!

But do I extract the files? If I do where?

[Nistenf]

Extract them anywhere you want and then execute dwarf fotress.exe inside this new extracted folder

[Lamphare]

You don't. Just download it and it's all ready to go, prepacked with the DF files as well as the mod files. Enjoy!

But do I extract the files? If I do where?

1.download any graphical pack of your choice from the original post of this thread
2.unpack at a fresh location, id est without vanilla game.
3.play

or if you would like to try tomi's tweaks and addings, download from his signature and overwrite the raw directory of your freshly unpacked genesis DF.

[arghy]

Is it possible to add skaven in? been reading alot of warhammer lately and i really want my dwarven fortress to be assaulted by skavens.

[TomiTapio]

You could replace the [GOOD] and [EVIL] with "" or empty space. Even better, you could replace them with !GOOD! and !EVIL! as placeholders that get ignored by the game.

I put --GOOD] plants now. Their freq from 100 to 10. I guess moon berry was supposed to come from altar sacrifice only? Guess I won't bother with the evil ones.

Lynx (a bigger forest cat)

Already got lynx and giant lynx in my sub-releases. Thanks for the baboons!

Is it possible to add skaven in? been reading alot of warhammer lately and i really want my dwarven fortress to be assaulted by skavens.

It's possible, but I leave the civilization-adding to Deon as he likes to draw neat icons for them. What armors and weapons do Skavens use, and do they have more castes than male or female?

It's trivial to add a duplicate of goblins and rename them to skavens..
and next Vanilla DF release Genesis should lose the werewolf civ as zillion nightcreatures including vampires and weretransformers arrive.

[Thundercraft]

Ouch, I didn't notice this bug. Your solution works for the time being until it's fixed. Is the grass bugged the same way, or only plants? Since they are different instances, I think they are unrelated, but it's still safer to ask .

Just did a quick test with tomi's version,

Spoiler: "Lamphare's testing" (click to show/hide)

there are three shrubs with [GOOD] tag, crystal cane, sunberry and moonberry
generated a new world and embarked on 7x7 temperate joyous woods forest with two streams joining together (to satisfy [WET] plants)
and dfprospector gives me
Shrubs:
          BERRIES_PRICKLE : 834
              ROOT_CARROT : 823
       STEM_MUSHROOM_BLUE : 668
              ROOT_RADISH : 635
         GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE : 468
                VINE_WHIP : 448
             GRAIN_BARLEY : 394
   STEM_MUSHROOM_IMPERIAL : 382
       BERRIES_STRAW_WILD : 375
                ROOT_HIDE : 370
              BUSH_QUARRY : 341
                LEAF_HOPS : 319
             CANE_CRYSTAL : 316
      MUSHROOM_CUP_DIMPLE : 305
         CAVE_CORN_ALBINO : 297
           GRASS_TAIL_PIG : 291
               WEED_BLADE : 210
           GRAIN_AMARANTH : 206
             BERRIES_GLOW : 186
              CAVE_POTATO : 184
    MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP : 156
         CAVE_BEAN_ALBINO : 154
             CAVE_PUMPKIN : 142
               ROOT_STONE : 137
              STEM_COTTON : 128
                POD_SWEET : 125
               BOIL_BLOOD : 113
           BEAN_SUNFLOWER : 82
             STALK_PURPLE : 80
               ROCK_MELON : 58
               CAVE_CHILI : 58
             ROOT_TRUFFLE : 53
                 WEED_RAT : 51
               BERRY_MOON : 37
         FRUIT_WATERMELON : 23
>>> TOTAL = 9449

Wood in trees:
              TUNNEL_TUBE : 1380
         BROADLEAF_POPLAR : 1378
          CONIFER_CYPRESS : 1357
                     PINE : 1290
              CONIFER_FIR : 1279
               SPORE_TREE : 964
                  FEATHER : 635
                    LARCH : 504
              CONIFER_YEW : 286
    CONIFER_PUZZLE_MONKEY : 242
              BLOOD_THORN : 188
                 CHESTNUT : 141
                 HIGHWOOD : 118
          CONIFER_HEMLOCK : 101
>>> TOTAL = 9863

to further testify this problem, i generated a new world and chose a same 7x7 forest with stream
but this time i embarked in a hot sinister area
and get
Shrubs:
              ROOT_CARROT : 1023
              ROOT_TURNIP : 722
              THORN_SHARD : 689
             GRAIN_BARLEY : 532
                ROOT_HIDE : 531
       BERRIES_STRAW_WILD : 530
       FRUIT_BLACKCURRANT : 526
   STEM_MUSHROOM_IMPERIAL : 518
                POD_SWEET : 506
         CAVE_BEAN_ALBINO : 501
          GRAIN_BUCKWHEAT : 493
              CAVE_POTATO : 486
           GRASS_LONGLAND : 462
           GRASS_TAIL_PIG : 416
               BOIL_BLOOD : 333
    MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP : 281
             LEAF_CABBAGE : 277
               WEED_BLADE : 256
         GRASS_WHEAT_CAVE : 223
      MUSHROOM_CUP_DIMPLE : 220
                LEAF_HOPS : 218
               NIGHTSHADE : 180
               CAVE_CHILI : 174
             ROOT_TRUFFLE : 123
           BEAN_SUNFLOWER : 109
               CAVE_CACAO : 109
               ROCK_MELON : 80
               GRAIN_RICE : 42
>>> TOTAL = 10560

Wood in trees:
         BROADLEAF_POPLAR : 2586
           CONIFER_SPRUCE : 2115
                     PINE : 2104
              TUNNEL_TUBE : 1858
                    LARCH : 868
               SPORE_TREE : 847
                GLUMPRONG : 487
              BLOOD_THORN : 182
                 CHESTNUT : 111
>>> TOTAL = 11158

surprisingly, glumprong and thorn shard appeared, but not sliver barb, even though my embark satisfied all its requirements, just as the last one did for sunberry.

maybe there is just not enough space for them, maybe.

so to take it to the next level. new world, 12x12... oops crashed
same world... 10x10 warm/hot serene swamp with a stream
loads of moonberries and crystal canes. not a trace of sunberry.

new world... 10x10 warm serene shrubland with two streams
scarce moonberries and many crystal canes, no sunberry.

one more new world for good plants... 10x10 warm serene broadleaf/conifer forest with a brook
some moonberries and crystal canes, no sunbbery.

evil plants
new world, 10x10 sinister(with little haunted) warm swamp with one stream
lol there is a cyclops 20 tiles away from my waggon
thorn shards and glumprongs, no sliver barb

new world, 10x10 temperate sinister savanna/haunted shrubland with two streams
thorn shards and glumprongs, no sliver barb

new world 10x10 tropical hot haunted forest with a stream
thorn shards and glumprongs, no sliver barb

i guess this renders the problem with only sunberry and sliver barb, rather than [GOOD] n' [EVIL] tag
and there are no differences between sunberry and moon berry in raw, excpet sunberry has [EDIBLE_VERMIN] [EDIBLE_COOKED] under its seed section, if that matters its disappearance.

conclusion:
DARN you sunberry and sliver barb!

The testing is appreciated. However, it seems I've overlooked some things. Reading more closely on the wiki, I followed the bug report and I learned more. The summary of the report is:

Good/evil plants/trees don't appear (feather trees, glumprongs, sliver barbs, and sun berries)

It also has additional information:

Deleting [GOOD]/[EVIL] tags in plant_standard.txt doesn't help, but is required with more editing to make some workaround (these trees will appear in any biomes - good, evil and normal):
http://pastebin.com/vc3fLvCD

This pastebin contains code fixes for the Glumprong and Feather Tree, but that's it. I'll have to dig around to see if there's a fix for Sliver Barbs and Sun Berries, if it's even possible without an official bug fix.

Is the grass bugged the same way, or only plants? Since they are different instances, I think they are unrelated, but it's still safer to ask .

I haven't done much testing myself. But it sounds like it's mainly the four plants mentioned in the official bug report (which includes two trees and two non-trees). Don't the usual good and evil grasses still appear? (Good grasses: bubble bulb & downy grass | Evil grasses: wormy tendril, staring eyeball)

As for the [EDIBLE_VERMIN] and [EDIBLE_COOKED] under the seed section in Sun Berry, I doubt that is the problem. There are a whole lot of plants with those tags that do appear normally.

Despite the continuing problems with Sliver Barbs and Sun Berries, this does seem to be tied into [GOOD] and [EVIL] tags:

(0017489) Jeoshua (reporter) 2011-04-23 16:58
This seems to have happened right after grass was added. I have noticed similar scarcity of modded in animals when the default frequencies of the existing animals are not changed. Basically the system is working as intended, but due to the large amount of new grass types, and their high frequency, the more rare and special types of plants are being crowded out by the ever-present grass.

(0017490) Quietust (reporter) 2011-04-23 17:09
Jeoshua: that doesn't account for the experiment I performed immediately above, where there were exactly 2 types of unaligned trees in the entire world (maple and willow) and good/evil trees still refused to show up.

I put --GOOD] plants now. Their freq from 100 to 10. I guess moon berry was supposed to come from altar sacrifice only? Guess I won't bother with the evil ones.

See above.

[Sirdrake]

for a suggestion can there be underground sieges

if so then i would recommend a civ called dark-spawn(from Dragon age series)they are like goblins but live underground.

[Dutchling]

You cannot mod civs to siege you from the caverns / underground.


EDIT: In my fortoress dogs seemed to be stronger  than giant rats so I tested it in the arena: 18 1v1 fights with natural skills added, results:

Spoiler: Rats are a lot stronger than dogs :P (click to show/hide)

RATS
WIN:14
NO INJURY:3
MINOR INJURY:8
MEDIUM INJURY:3
HEAVY INJURY:0

DOGS
WIN:4
NO INJURY:0
MINOR INJURY:1
MEDIUM INJURY:2
HEAVY INJURY:1

[Deon]

18? Too few. Their attributes and relative size are completely random.

[TomiTapio]

Giant rat is 100 kg (and Mount), dog is 34 kg, in my tunings. So Giant Rat should always win. (Large rat 25 kg, bulldog 47 kg, mastiff 83 kg)
Isn't it easier to do one 20 vs 20 test?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Giant rat skills:
   [NATURAL_SKILL:BITE:4]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:DODGING:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:WRESTLING:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:3]
Dog
    [NATURAL_SKILL:BITE:4]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:DODGING:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:WRESTLING:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:5] --good guard

[Dutchling]

I was just making a bigger arena test but the place where your cursor it when selecting the creature to fight with doesn't change back to something default.
in other words: are you interested in the results of ogres vs snakemen?

EDIT: You were right Deon, 16 was too few to really test. Guess what, the DOGS won this time >.> The only change was the size of the location which was 1x1 this time.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

EDITEDIT: After reading some of the combat reports, I think the 1x1 arena sizes made the dogs win. They just shook the rat by the head and it probably bumped to the walls every time >.>

[Deon]

Giant rat is 100 kg (and Mount), dog is 34 kg, in my tunings. So Giant Rat should always win. (Large rat 25 kg, bulldog 47 kg, mastiff 83 kg)
Isn't it easier to do one 20 vs 20 test?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Giant rat skills:
   [NATURAL_SKILL:BITE:4]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:DODGING:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:WRESTLING:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:STANCE_STRIKE:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:GRASP_STRIKE:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:3]
Dog
    [NATURAL_SKILL:BITE:4]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:DODGING:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:WRESTLING:2]
   [NATURAL_SKILL:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:5] --good guard

34000 vs 100000 is not too big of a difference when biting-shaking weapons are used. That's why adventurers can be really dangerous with bites.

[Dutchling]

Iīm still surprised the dogs won most of the times. I havenīt bothered counting but they clearly won more than that they lost. Two times both of them died ^^

[Deon]

Okay, TomiTapio, still no list of old problems for me to fix >:-).

I've just remembered a huge problem which I was going to fix... and immediately forgot.
I need your help, I am a bit tired here .

P.S. Ah, I wanted to change the coverage of items to make possible opportunuty strikes though armor, and also NERF goddamn robes and cloaks. Yeah, thanks god I remembered that!