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[Bauglir]

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[NW_Kohaku]

While it may not be terribly substantive, I'd like to say I agree with and support both these ideas.  I'm not too fond of the idea that diplomacy should just revolve around just the vanilla version of creatures and civs.

[jfs]

Rather than magically knowing how many tree-cutting jobs have been completed, how about they count the number of living trees on the site and compare to the expected number? (Like, if you're in the middle of a forest, it should be high, but in a desert area the number of trees should be low.) Also compare it to the number of living trees last year.

And tower caps need to not be trees
(Solution: Them elves can only count trees that are Above Ground.)

[Mel_Vixen]

On the other hand the elves could know that someghow that you have towercaps - by a tour trough your fort for example. The Towercaps arent thought much treelike so the elves could ignore them.

[Neonivek]

On a side note: Could Elven Forest Retreats keep track of how many trees or important trees are within these sites as it if was part of its population?

[Sizik]

The same thing could be applied to dwarf traders, except that they want you to reach a certain quota of stone mined out.
Maybe humans would want constructions built above ground?

[Safe-Keeper]

Answer: goddamned ethnocentric tree-huggers should mind their own business. Do I go to their tree villages (for the sake of argument, pretend they're tree villages ) and tell them they need to use more magma?

I appreciate that the feature is in, though, it adds flavour to the game and whatnot.

[NW_Kohaku]

Answer: goddamned ethnocentric tree-huggers should mind their own business. Do I go to their tree villages (for the sake of argument, pretend they're tree villages ) and tell them they need to use more magma?

I appreciate that the feature is in, though, it adds flavour to the game and whatnot.

Well, there can be rational reasons to want to influence the behavior of one's neighbors.  If your nation lay at the mouth of a major and important river that many of your most important cities use for transportation and water, and a nearby nation began dumping raw sewage and other toxic waste into the river, impacting the health of your nation's citizens, you'd be upset...

Elves aren't fully explained as of yet in the game, maybe they need a certain number of living trees in the world just to exist?  They are supposed to be using some sort of tree-related magic later on in the dev cycle, after all...

(And now people start deforestation programs just to commit genocide on the elves...)

[Bauglir]

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[Neonivek]

The usual explanation is that nature is a force in it of itself.

And judging by the fact that Elven gods are "Forces" and they actually are land masses it is very likely.

[Deimos56]

(Like, if you're in the middle of a forest, it should be high, but in a desert area the number of trees should be low.)

I'd like to see them bring better stuff if you're OVER the expected number of trees. (A grassland's worth of trees in a desert!)

[FreakyCheeseMan]

Answer: goddamned ethnocentric tree-huggers should mind their own business. Do I go to their tree villages (for the sake of argument, pretend they're tree villages ) and tell them they need to use more magma?

Um... I think most of us do that, yeah. If by "Go" you mean "Start On" and "Tell them they need to use more magma" you mean "Dump magma on them".

[Squirrelloid]

Support++

Getting yelled at for chopping lots of trees because i've got 150 logs in the stockpile is ridiculous, especially when I bought most of those from the elves over the years.  I mean, there were like 10 cacti on that map - what did they think I was cutting so much of?

[NinjaE8825]

Actually, since Elves have [KILL_PLANT:UNTHINKABLE], they should probably care about giant mushrooms, too.
Which leads on to my point, which is that this probably won't see any change until non-legends mode ethics are implemented (which, in turn, will probably make good relations with any other civ really complicated, knowing the average DF player).

[Vester]

Actually, since Elves have [KILL_PLANT:UNTHINKABLE], they should probably care about giant mushrooms, too.

Yes. Elves don't have high school biology, of course, otherwise they wouldn't bother with mushrooms.