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[Enzo]

Depends on the charity. If you invested in a high karma-yield charity, you could be looking at twice as many karmas than if you'd donated to, like, Childs Play or something.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Yeah, I think many of us here could ... well I have to change the expression to be PC ... cut back a bit on the cynicism.

We're humans, and alive. We can change things for the better.

To be honest the internet and technology is a burden. Another distraction that keeps us from going out and seeking happiness and solving our problems - chin up and face forward.

It's much easier to be the hero in a video game and save the world when you know you're the hero and have saves... than study our asses off at school, work hard at a job, work out to stay in shape so we may have a chance to meet the princess of our dreams and save some lives.

It takes a lot of work to become a real hero, and much more sacrifice. The princesses will require a bit of trial and error because you won't know which is the right one. In real life you will never be certain of the path you take, but that will make you wiser and stronger.

People do it. You just won't hear much about it if you sit inside all day and watch the news or telly or computer screen.

Complaining about it won't do anything. If you say it doesn't really matter and nothing we do matters, then you will do nothing.

And ultimately nothing will happen just as you predicted.

Be pragmatic. Control your life and destiny. As far as we know this is the only life we got, might as well learn and teach and enjoy it.

Or bitch. Whatever makes you happy I suppose.

[smigenboger]

Essentially (in terms if you did it yourself), you raised 10,000 for yourself, then let someone else benefit from it.

General Public: -10,000
You:-10,000
Specified Public: +10,000

You lose 10,000 karmacash?

[Creaca]

Or bitch. Whatever makes you happy I suppose.

Bitching about stuff is fun and easy. And it gives the illusion I might be doing something, when I'm really not.

That other stuff sounds hard and boring.

[KaelGotDwarves]

Well, won't blame you for taking the easy way out.

Lots and lots to be done in this life!

[cowofdoom78963]

It's much easier to be the hero in a video game and save the world when you know you're the hero and have saves... than study our asses off at school, work hard at a job, work out to stay in shape so we may have a chance to meet the princess of our dreams and save some lives.

That is unless you are playing a roguelike.

[smigenboger]

You could be chaotic neutral, and simulate real life indifference on a video game!

[Emperor_Jonathan]

Depends on the charity. If you invested in a high karma-yield charity, you could be looking at twice as many karmas than if you'd donated to, like, Childs Play or something.

The Society of St. Vincent De Paul, is that a high yield charity?

Essentially (in terms if you did it yourself), you raised 10,000 for yourself, then let someone else benefit from it.

General Public: -10,000
You:-10,000
Specified Public: +10,000

You lose 10,000 karmacash?

FFFFFFFFF-

[cowofdoom78963]

I guess if you look at it that way beggars are ridiculously evil.

[KaelGotDwarves]

You could be chaotic neutral, and simulate real life indifference on a video game!

It's like I'm really playing 4chan, the video game!

[smigenboger]

that was poor logic.

actually, in that way, people who beg for beggers would be

[Cthulhu]

Misanthropy is a cop-out.

[cowofdoom78963]

that was poor logic.

actually, in that way, people who beg for beggers would be

If wanting beggars to exist is an evil deed then beggars are evil.

Think about it like this:
A person who wants demons to exist is evil. This is becuase demons are evil.

[Cyx]

He didn't mention it, but indirect good was taken into account by Armok's argument because of its wideness. If what you value most is life, more than anything ever, then, be it directly or indirectly, you do everything you can to save lives. If you don't, then what you value most isn't life. This was the first statement, and it couldn't be simpler.

I will repeat that no, there isn't any difference, morally speaking. Let's say that in one room there is a man and a button : if he pushes the button then someone dies. In another room there is another man and another button : if he doesn't push the button then someone dies. If they both kill someone, one of them isn't less guilty than the other. It isn't about appearances of action or inaction, it's about the choices you make : if all that matters is the number of lives at the end, then whether you fired the gun or not isn't important.

Now, thinking it implies that you are guilty of killing everyone you didn't save is wrong. You actually are guilty of preferring to do something other than saving lives every time you aren't trying to save lives, though, this is an undeniable fact. Whether you are more or less okay with it is another matter.

The example sounds ridiculous because you voluntarily neglected the "life is sacred" part. Let's quit thinking up metaphors and see the core of the problem : someone pretends to value something that much while his actions prove that he doesn't. Some people don't like that. All that was said was : it would be better if you had the wisdom to know what your values are and the courage to act according to them.

If you still don't agree then we're going in circles.

[Creaca]

By that logic Cyx, if I'm not dedicating every spare moment of my time and resourcing into purposely killing people, then regardless of my views I have to respect life because I'm letting so many people live.

It's just a matter of perspective.