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[dakarian]

Nihilist.. why are you still demanding Twiggy's claim?

If he can honestly prove himself, he's Modkilled.  Besides, if he's not scum why care?

So seriously.. claim him scum or explain WHY he's so important that the scum can wait.

[Apostolic Nihilist]

Nihilist.. why are you still demanding Twiggy's claim?

If he can honestly prove himself, he's Modkilled.  Besides, if he's not scum why care?

So seriously.. claim him scum or explain WHY he's so important that the scum can wait.

I don't care if he claims or not, I just want him to answer my questions.
He's completely evaded them, and said absolutely nothing of note. As it stands, he's completely useless.

[Vector]

Then perhaps you should ask him some other questions, which would hurt the town less and make you seem less silly.

[dakarian]

I'll be blunt.

Are you declaring him Scummy for that or should be lynch you for acting scummy towards a non-scummy person?

[Apostolic Nihilist]

Very well then.
Twiggie: What do you make of the current situation? Who do you think is scum?!
"bwahaha my evil plan of doom worked!

yeah, anyway im not scum.
FoS pandar for massive overreaction and leafsnail for being overly specific. i vote we off him if it turns out he was right."
Pandarsenic was the first to vote Leafsnail for being overly specific, of all things.

[Apostolic Nihilist]

^
That should've been in a quote. Here:

bwahaha my evil plan of doom worked!

yeah, anyway im not scum.
FoS pandar for massive overreaction and leafsnail for being overly specific. i vote we off him if it turns out he was right.

[Rysith]

Of the three worst lurkers (Archangel, Rysith, and Vector), this is the sum total of their posts since I posted the my useful/useless posts thing (yesterday).

- Archangel got sick.
- Rysith had a somewhat useful post.
- Vector voted for the extension (single word)
- Archangel got better, said people were suspicious without any real reason and wondered off again.

So until one of them posts something useful, I'll start with unvoting and vote Vector.  Show and be useful please.

As I've said in other mafia threads, I've only got two times a day when I'm at a computer that I can post from, and even then I try to only post when I feel like I've got something to contribute. I'd rather actually lurk than active-lurk.

As it stands, I think that AN is being new and Twiggie, while lurking, is lurking in approximately his normal way. Pandarsenic being obscene is new (to me), but I've only been playing Toon for a while, and haven't had time to check if it's normal for him. Webadict being abusive isn't new, but the way that he did it, with the focus on the vote, continues to make me suspicious of him. It doesn't seem like webadict-normal abusive. That he's now lumping me with Archangel as someone he thoroughly dislikes, despite not having played with me in quite a while, seems rather like a non-vote OMGUS.

Now that the day isn't ending soon, and to deal with my possibly tunnel-visioning on webadict, I'm going to unvote and try to look around a bit beyond the four I mentioned to see if anything else sticks out.

[JanusTwoface]

As I've said in other mafia threads, I've only got two times a day when I'm at a computer that I can post from, and even then I try to only post when I feel like I've got something to contribute. I'd rather actually lurk than active-lurk.

I probably phrased that incorrectly.  In my more recent post, I was saying that although you had only posted once, at least it had content.  It was supposed to be a more positive contrast to Archangel and Vector (at the time).  I understand not being able to post often and I don't think it's a huge problem as long as you post something of worth whenever you can come online.

[webadict]

Of the three worst lurkers (Archangel, Rysith, and Vector), this is the sum total of their posts since I posted the my useful/useless posts thing (yesterday).

- Archangel got sick.
- Rysith had a somewhat useful post.
- Vector voted for the extension (single word)
- Archangel got better, said people were suspicious without any real reason and wondered off again.

So until one of them posts something useful, I'll start with unvoting and vote Vector.  Show and be useful please.

As I've said in other mafia threads, I've only got two times a day when I'm at a computer that I can post from, and even then I try to only post when I feel like I've got something to contribute. I'd rather actually lurk than active-lurk.

As it stands, I think that AN is being new and Twiggie, while lurking, is lurking in approximately his normal way. Pandarsenic being obscene is new (to me), but I've only been playing Toon for a while, and haven't had time to check if it's normal for him. Webadict being abusive isn't new, but the way that he did it, with the focus on the vote, continues to make me suspicious of him. It doesn't seem like webadict-normal abusive. That he's now lumping me with Archangel as someone he thoroughly dislikes, despite not having played with me in quite a while, seems rather like a non-vote OMGUS.

Now that the day isn't ending soon, and to deal with my possibly tunnel-visioning on webadict, I'm going to unvote and try to look around a bit beyond the four I mentioned to see if anything else sticks out.

No. I have a disdain for Archangel. He knows it. As for you, you're usually more active. I'm saying that you're lurking, as much as Archangel is (And apparently Vector... and Twiggie... And... everyone else?).

Psh... OMGUS... The avoidance of OMGUS's are more showing of scum nowadays, since town will OMGUS if they've found scum. Its negative publicity only matters to scum, and if you had used that as a offense, that might've stood out.

But, you didn't. That would've been a nice attack though. Why is it that I have to start these new ways to attack? Man... I want more straticians here.

Also, screw the lurkers.

[dakarian]

Ok, time to try out a Wide Scan.

Spoiler: Wide Scan of SCIENCE! (click to show/hide)

Rashilul/Webadict: RV Leaf (2nd vote), Replaced by Webadict, V Nihilist(2nd) for nearly getting Twiggy Modkilled, defended Twiggy-came in late thus can't be scum(DNote:True, me as host had a similar issue show up elsewhere), battle with Janus, Battle with Pandarsenic, V Archangel, Attack on Rysith, Anal on Nihilist

Pandarsenic: Randomvote Cheeetar, V Leafsnail-too specific (DNote: pulls out when confronted), V Nihilist-(3rd)going after 3rd parties, Battle with Pandarsenic, V Archangel-useless


Vector:NSRV Rashilul-Bandwagoning, [disappearance], V Twiggie-active lurking(metascumtell),


Rysith: RV Janus, [Lurk] , V Webadict-High useless/useful post ratio&overreaction to Cheeetar, Unvote-claimed to have tunnelvissioned


NUKE9.13: Did note randomvote first post (Metanote: he distains the practice), [disappearance], V Archangel-[lurkerhunt], defending Web-helpful, V Leafsnail-voting for stupid people(Dnote: Pressure vote?), V Twiggie-[lurkerhunt] (DNote: It's already shown Twiggie isn't scum)


Archangel: Randomvote Leafnsail, [disappearance], Unvotes


Cheeetar: Randomvote Eduren, V Nihilist(4th)-RF, Unvotes Nihilist-unknownreason, V Archangel-[Lurker hunt, 2nd vote], V Webadict-BUS with Pandarsenic


Leafsnail: RV Nihilist, [disappearance], maintains vote on Nihilist-RF/taking out non-scum, defending Pandar-aggressive=townish, V Cheeetar-lazy arguments


JanusTwoFace: No RV, rolefish alert, big time, V Webadict-easylynching Nihilist (DNote: Defending Nihilist, meh claim), , WIFOM During battle with Web, PR threat, winebased mafiatheory, CopQuestion, And another one to Eduren, analysis post, V Pandarsenic-Reasons(Abrasive(possible role), attack/pullout on Leafsnail, Bandwagoning, Aggressive(DNote: Aggressive =towntell)), V Vector-lurking, Unvote-satisfied of Vector's post, V Archangel[lurkerwakeup], passivetext

eduren: Randomvote Dakarian, softclaim-Nhilist:rolefishing


Apostolic Nihilist: RV Twiggie, Continuing on Twiggy-"I'm voting him because I believe he's third-party. His motives may not be directly against Town" (DNote: Contradiction- "
The less anti-town aligned players, the better we'll fare./If it came down to it, I wouldn't lynch him today and I don't know why you think that I would. "), admits to RF on Twiggie, (DNote: huh!? "Isn't this good? — he were to be NK'd then the scum have just wasted their kill. ".. LOLWHAT? "Furthermore, I'm asking him to reveal his role (BUT HE WON'T, because no matter what that would end badly for him) in an attempt to gather more information.", Just trying to spark conversation..."I suppose I was a bit roundabout, but this is what I'm doing. Nothing more, nothing less. ", Unvoting-only was pressure voting(failed), FOS Twiggie-answer my questions!


Twiggie: RV Nuke, [disappearance], (Lurker Spot!: Post came 13 minutes after Nihilist Unvotes), FOS Pandar overreaction/leaf for 'too specific (Pandar's argument)

Results: 

Cheeetar is bandwagoning, laying low, and very bad at accusations, Rysith is also low lying and VERY quick to dismiss his own arguments (1 post accusation is NOT tunneling), Janus is a MESS with rolefishing, and CopQuestions (asking someone who they would investigate, which helps scum far more than town), those three are my biggest worries.

Janus, You're playing Active Aggressive Town, but your actions say very much otherwise.  I believe you are scum.

[JanusTwoface]

Rolefishing
I was trying to figure out the theme of the game.  I assumed (incorrect) that since I had a TF themed role then others would as well. When I was talking about roles later, it was about my own role rather than other people's roles.

Cop Questions
I don't really agree with you here.  Mostly, I think that it gives an idea of who people think are scummy without actually directly asking them.  In this game in particular it can be useful because investigations are rather more deadly than normal.

The rest of mine I'll give you though.

A detailed (if oddly compressed at times) analysis though.  Should be useful.  Do you keep these going as the game runs or generate them afterwords?

(I don't really need to restate this, but at this point I still think Archangel needs to show up--and be helpful--or get lynched.)

[dakarian]

Once leaf said that he didn't have a TF themed role, then you asked for his theme.  That's going from mearly figuring out the game to trying to figure out Leaf.  What's more, you slipped in a passive comment about MC. 

Also, I'm guessing a MC would be a poor choice?  Because anyone that claims and then uses their action would be more or less confirmed == dead, yes?

That's asking "shall we MC" without actually asking if we should MC. 

As for the Rolecop issue, asking who is scummy in a roundabout way is NOT townish, it's scummish.  It lets you find out how you and your buddies look to the town and react accordingly.  Since it's more abstract, meanwhile, it doesn't cause people to start voting and attacking to boot. 

Web showed me that one in BM 3.  He prodded the town in just that way and found out that everyone wanted Web investigated.  Not only did he then know that the cop was gunning for him (which he was) but it gave him that information WITHOUT anyone turning it into a direct attack. 

That investigative roles are deadly is even MORE dangerous for town!


I don't keep them going actually, especially since it can be come a victim to tunnel vision or bad assumptions.  Instead, I take a moment to pull away from my old ideas then take it all in at once.  It's not a full account of ALL posts, but instead an account of notible events, 'eyecatchers', and heavy interactions between players. 

Btw, Buddying the accuser: Noted. 


And no.. we're NOT lynching a lurker for lurking.  That's one step above Randomvoting for usefulness.  You prod them, attack them, replace them, hate them, but Lurking is NEVER a lynchworthy act.

[webadict]

As for the Rolecop issue, asking who is scummy in a roundabout way is NOT townish, it's scummish.  It lets you find out how you and your buddies look to the town and react accordingly.  Since it's more abstract, meanwhile, it doesn't cause people to start voting and attacking to boot. 

Web showed me that one in BM 3.  He prodded the town in just that way and found out that everyone wanted Web investigated.  Not only did he then know that the cop was gunning for him (which he was) but it gave him that information WITHOUT anyone turning it into a direct attack. 

That investigative roles are deadly is even MORE dangerous for town!

To be fair, I already knew I was going to be investigated. Rather, I was looking for the cop that game.

And no.. we're NOT lynching a lurker for lurking.  That's one step above Randomvoting for usefulness.  You prod them, attack them, replace them, hate them, but Lurking is NEVER a lynchworthy act.

True, but some of them just won't be replaced.

[ToonyMan]

VOTE COUNT:

dakarian(Toony?) - eduren [1]
Archangel - Webadict, Pandarsenic, JanusTwoFace [3]
JanusTwoFace - dakarian [1]
NUKE9.13 - Twiggie [1]
Webadict - Cheeetar [1]
Cheeetar - Leafsnail [1]
Twiggie - NUKE9.13, Vector [2]


Not Voting - Archangel, Apostolic Nihilist, Rysith [3]


Highlighting the lynch candidate just for fun.

~Day Ends Today In 5 Hours~

[dakarian]

@web

Thing is, we know lurkers are unknown guesses. 

Let's be true: do you truly not have anyone you feel is scummy?