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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2009, 01:12:01 pm »

sound like it maybe end up as a build them smash if you dont do it all right.
the ai need to run Kingdom /look like it does will be the hard part

makeing a quick test of combat with soom farming will be the easy part.
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2009, 06:13:50 pm »

Sounds very nice, but I do hope that some things aren't openly visible in the interface on purpose (for example, being a lord I don't know how the hell you'd be able to look and see the pH level of a field, you'd just have to infer pretty much). Would love to see it in action, I'm guessing you'll release it to the public in alpha stage, right?
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2009, 07:22:27 pm »

All great comments.  Thanks!  :)

I'm in agreement with Muz, this is going to be a slow series of releases, first focusing on farming and manor development then gradually adding combat and kingdom features.

As per magikarcher's comments, I am just beginning to learn the 3D graphics aspects, and I can say it isn't easy.  But I've considered a tile-based (even ASCII-based), but I feel it'll take away from the first-person feel.  This is going to have many RPG elements and I feel it'd be hard maintain that without a 3D world.

Now for Rakonas's comment, I'm going to try to stick to medieval level technology, so naturally the idea of pH is well out of the league of characters, however, there will probably be a skill associated with understanding the soil fertility, but in a convoluted way.   The character might understand that the soil is too acidic, or "be possessed of ill-tempered earth fairies", and to deal with the faeries one must break limestone over the earth to drive them out, coincidentally reducing the acidity of the soil.  Things will be dealt with in a paganistic/spiritual sort of way.  In the same sense, I think if magic is introduced to the game later on, it would be mostly alchemy (iron to gold anyone?).

 I've just started putting things together and am mostly working getting the 3D engine together and working basic object hierarchies.  I have a lot of experience programming, been doing it since I was in 8th grade, so I'm learning quickly.  But my time is unfortunately crippled by my work as a graduate student.  But this game is exactly the type of game I have wanted for years, so I figure I might as well be the one to write it if no one else will.

Please continue to post your comments and ideas and I'll keep working on it!
 Thanks!   ;D
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2009, 07:29:11 pm »

I love the idea. Anyway, I think 2D with nice sprites would work best and make development much faster (you're going to have a lot of work with physics in 3D). 3D has novelty value, but after a couple of hours of playing, both are equally immersive.
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2009, 07:47:50 pm »

I would guess from the fact that he has such a clear outline and has posted this in "other games" instead of "creative projects" that he already had some clear plan and capability of making it when he started this thread.

And frankly it sounds awesome.
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2009, 08:27:40 pm »

Yeah, definitely agree... 3D is a LOT of work, which is why Toady moved DF/Slaves to Armok from 3D to 2D. It doesn't even look that much better. It's less work to animate in 3D, though, so you have to decide if it's worth it :P
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2009, 09:37:18 am »

Here's the update:  So, 3D graphics are a pain in the ass, but I'm learning what I can and am enjoying the process.  So far I've been working on realistic weather and sky simulation; as a farm sim, the weather needs to be right on.
  Hopefully I'll figure out how to get some nice fluffy clouds this week and I can move on to less geometrically straining tasks.
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2009, 07:08:38 pm »

Sounds great! I'll have to keep an eye on this one.  ;D
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2009, 05:21:13 am »

Oh god, weather.

Take it from a guy with YEARS of experience trying to simulate realistic weather in all sorts of games.  Fake it as hard as you possibly can--or at least, limit the scope.

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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2009, 03:03:32 pm »

Thanks Sowelu for the tips! 

  I don't have any plans to make it that insanely realistic, just basic cloud density and temperature variables.  The cloud density will affect the amount of Perlin-noise generated cloud texture on my sky dome.  Precipitation will probably be pretty simplistic as well.  The angles of the sun was the big thing for me, I wanted accurate angles for accurate seasons and time of day.  I want that to be the only source of telling the time of day (except maybe a sundial for a rich lord).  Luckily there was plenty of work already done in this area, so I'm good to go on that. 

   I'm planning on having the overall amount of sunlight be calculated based on these weather affects which will affect the amount of plant growth in any given day for any given plant.  Other effects such as a tree shading out the sun will also affect these values for individual plants.  So no growing of wheat and vetch under the trees...  (but at least the trees will supply fruit and nuts, and maybe flowers for the bees to gather).

Next on the agenda... growing forests!
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2009, 06:58:50 pm »

Sounds like an interesting idea. I shall watch this.
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2009, 07:07:40 pm »

I hope you aren't talking about what the spambot just said, Meph. ;)
Something needs to be done about the rising bots.

Anyway, this is sounding pretty cool so far.  I like the idea of shade reducing how well plants under it grow; sounds much better than the harvest moon method of preventing a bunch of plants being stuffed around a tree.
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2009, 07:13:56 pm »

Hehe. No, I was talking about Fief, not whatever nonsense the spambot was spouting.
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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2009, 03:11:04 pm »

I'll definitely give this a try when it comes out...
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Re: Fief: A new game idea
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2009, 05:21:59 pm »

I added more information for what I'm going for on the fief game page:

http://www.arboreantears.com/fief/index.html

I don't want to piggyback on Toady's forum, so I'll only post on here when I get something particularly interesting to report, but otherwise please keep a spare eye on this project.

   Thanks everyone!  :D
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