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[Xantalos]

Well... I meant in terms of a god. Specifically in the content of religion, what is one with no faith?

In the context of religion?
Stupid.

[Devling]

Well... I meant in terms of a god. Specifically in the content of religion, what is one with no faith?

A nihilist. Someone who doesn't believe anything. What a bore.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Anyway, what constitutes an abomination?

In this context, Vector and Truean were talking about non-heteronormality, ala "Man shall not lie with man as he lies with woman, it is an abomination".

A rock. You have to have a little faith, to accept that what you see is reality. And what you feel is real.

That doesn't really have anything to do with atheism or theism. That is only the necessary assumption to do anything but endlessly soliphise.

[Vector]

. . . I consider believing in six-sigma evidence for scientific theories a leap of faith.  I suspect that the issue we're striking at may just be one of differing levels of paranoia/skepticism.  None of this "well, it's just a theory," because to me everything I believe is just a theory, ready to be further verified or disproved.

I'd argue that being an agnostic for the above reasons ("well, I'm just not sure that I trust the statistics that much") is the minimum level of faith, but your mileage may vary.

It's just a lack of any feeling that god/higher entities exist. I know this is probably depressing for a lot of people, but I guess I just internalized it. Like I said, you accept things when you are a kid.

I don't find that particularly depressing... that's where I was for a long time, and the stuff that made me depressed wasn't that >_>

Anyway, what constitutes an abomination?

In my case, I don't have much of an internalized sense of gender or discernment between gender for dating purposes.  Also, I'm a happy virgin?  I know some people find that really strange.

[Max White]

A nihilist. Someone who doesn't believe anything. What a bore.

Nope, a nihilist believes life is without meaning. What do you call somebody that does not believe?

[Devling]

It's just a lack of any feeling that god/higher entities exist. I know this is probably depressing for a lot of people, but I guess I just internalized it. Like I said, you accept things when you are a kid.

I don't find that particularly depressing... that's where I was for a long time, and the stuff that made me depressed wasn't that >_>

I was more talking about people who have been church-goers their whole lives. I did say some people.

[Descan]

Have my happysad of the night.

Spoiler: Open after watching video. (click to show/hide)

You now know why I love Canada.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

. . . I consider believing in six-sigma evidence for scientific theories a leap of faith.  I suspect that the issue we're striking at may just be one of differing levels of paranoia/skepticism.  None of this "well, it's just a theory," because to me everything I believe is just a theory, ready to be further verified or disproved.

It's nothing to do with faith. It's the exact opposite. Observation, hypothesis, experiment, observation, theory, experiment, ad infinum. Faith requires assumptions, but this is all about the evidence. That the evidence may not be complete does not make knowing what we know an act of faith. Obviously "completely true" is an unattainable state. But everybody knows that. Having to go back over this every time anyone talks about science drives me up the wall, because we all know it already.

A nihilist. Someone who doesn't believe anything. What a bore.

Nope, a nihilist believes life is without meaning. What do you call somebody that does not believe?

Objective meaning. Vital distinction there.

[Vector]

As a someone who has hallucinated from psychological complications, I do find knowing what I know to be an act of faith.  Does that make sense?

[Pnx]

I was kicked out of our local church when I was a child for asking too many questions... Well to be more accurate I got kicked out because I threw a tantrum after the way the vicar reacted to me asking too many questions, but I claim cause and effect on that one. There was just something about that attitude, that you're supposed to be interested in the religion, but you're not supposed to ask the wrong questions or come up with the wrong answers, or find anything disagreeable with it...

Anyway, I was just left to my own devices in figuring this stuff out and adopted nihilism as my belief system... or to be more accurate I adopted a belief system that was later explained to me to be essentially nihilism.

I don't hold that you can be certain any kind of divinity really exists. I know many people claim to have felt the presence of some kind of divinity, or spoken with one, or claim that these are the teachings of a divinity as was passed on by someone who had a spiritual experience, but I also know how easy it is to trick and fool the human mind into seeing or feeling things that just aren't there. So as far as I know, what's to say this isn't just a whole bunch of people making things up for themselves?

Of course by the edge of the sword I can't say for certain there isn't something there that people are in contact with. A lot of them certainly seem to feel so... So I don't claim to know either way, and I try to construct my morality and behaviour based on laws I build from the world around me.

/ramble

[Descan]

I know I contributed to this conversation but I DON'T THINK RELIGION BELONGS IN THE SAD THREAD.

NOW TALK ABOUT CANADA, DAMNIT.

RESIDENT VIKING-CHIBI DEMANDS YOU TO BOW TO HIS WISHES!

Or I shall be cross and you shan't have any tea.

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That might be a bit too cruel, even for me. Okay, one cup of tea...

[Max White]

As a someone who has hallucinated from psychological complications, I do find knowing what I know to be an act of faith.  Does that make sense?

Perfectly.
We should all take a model based view of the world and know that what we call 'facts' are not absolute.
However, those who act on faith choose to believe in their chosen model, regardless of evidence. Nothing will change their minds. That is the essence of faith.


I am an atheist. I do not believe their is no god. When sufficient reasonable evidence is presented before me, I will accept the existence of a god until further evidence should discredit this model.
I do not have faith in any theological ideals, I do not need it, I do not want it.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

As a someone who has hallucinated from psychological complications, I do find knowing what I know to be an act of faith.  Does that make sense?

Only if you are constantly hallucinating. At the end of the day, even if one accepts that science or knowledge involves "faith", that doesn't change objective reality. Someone who has faith in vaccines will get a different result than someone who has faith in prayer circles. But you'll never get a scientific test that shows prayer circles work instead of vaccines. What I am saying, Vector, is that ultimately I have seen enough applied knowledge to feel justified in believing that we can know things through the proper procedure, and that procedure is science.

[Pnx]

I know I contributed to this conversation but I DON'T THINK RELIGION BELONGS IN THE SAD THREAD.

All I can think to say about this is, "Religions aren't sad? Man what religions have you been looking at? I'm mostly surrounded by one that uses the tool by which it's messiah was executed as it's official symbol."
But I know that's a little bit harsh.

[PanH]

I'd put the "no faith" with agnostic. Others believe that there is something, or nothing, they at least believe that everything else is wrong. Agnostics don't.