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MaximumZero

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60855 on: April 26, 2013, 10:09:55 am »

twinky little skinny white guys
You know I could never be like that. I thought we had something special, Descan. ;_;
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60856 on: April 26, 2013, 10:16:54 am »

* Descan hugs.

Force of personality overrides anything physical.

I just tend to stare wide-eyed and go "ohgodcouldIhavethatpleeeease" at twinky little white guys. >w>
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60857 on: April 26, 2013, 10:21:26 am »

* Descan hugs.

Force of personality overrides anything physical.

I just tend to stare wide-eyed and go "ohgodcouldIhavethatpleeeease" at twinky little white guys. >w>
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60858 on: April 26, 2013, 11:06:09 am »

twinky little skinny white guys
You know I could never be like that. I thought we had something special, Descan. ;_;
And I'm proxy offended.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60859 on: April 26, 2013, 11:56:29 am »

If that makes you a racist, Descan, then you're a sexist as well.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60860 on: April 26, 2013, 12:10:30 pm »

ShoesandHats got it exactly. A copy of me is not-me. I want me to live forever (or as long as I wish), not not-me.

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And my point is that that copy of you is not current you, because current you necessarily exists in the present. You will not exist in the future, only memories of you and what you were thinking. The only thing that changes if you have your brain copied into a robot is that the memories of you live on in a massively durable machine instead of a fleshy thing that will die within a century (probably).
DO you really value your body that much?

Yes I'm bringing up an old thing; but it seems like the forum comes to life when I go to sleep.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60861 on: April 26, 2013, 12:13:44 pm »

Your copy's brain won't buy that they're fake either.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60862 on: April 26, 2013, 12:15:37 pm »

Your copy's brain won't buy that they're fake either.
Of course he will.
Even if brain was stealth-copied, I hope that I would be able to put together that I am disorientated and a robot to understand that I had had my brain structure teefed.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60863 on: April 26, 2013, 12:18:09 pm »

No. Not really. No one has said they value their body. Not a single person. In fact, the discussors have -all- said they would like to change out for a more durable brain. So why are you saying that?

What we -have- said, or at least what I have said, is that there is a philosophical difference between us. Namely, you see consciousness as a still-frame, only the present. While I see it as a long line, and that any break in that line (NO, sleeping doesn't count. Our brains are still active during sleep.) is a death of the self, no matter if there is another being who shares all the same neural structure at the time of death.

 And yes I am aware of the whole planck second thing meaning there technically -is- no continuous time-line, and time is packeted, but I'm basing this off the way my brain currently works, which necessarily works around that. As long as any upgrade to a more durable substrate includes retaining the same type of continuity as is currently in my brain from moment to moment, and retains the same neural imprint immediately after as what was in the fleshy-bits immediately before, then I'm perfectly happy, and indeed delighted.

To reiterate: We all, or most of us anyway, want to upgrade, but because of philosophical differences the implications to each of us of the different styles of upgrade are different. Those different styles being gradual and awake replacement of structures, or individual neurons in the brain, until a complete reconstruction has been achieved VS whole-sale copy and destruction of the original, and anything in between.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60864 on: April 26, 2013, 12:27:41 pm »

ShoesandHats got it exactly. A copy of me is not-me. I want me to live forever (or as long as I wish), not not-me.

-v(O_o)v-
And my point is that that copy of you is not current you, because current you necessarily exists in the present. You will not exist in the future, only memories of you and what you were thinking. The only thing that changes if you have your brain copied into a robot is that the memories of you live on in a massively durable machine instead of a fleshy thing that will die within a century (probably).
DO you really value your body that much?

Yes I'm bringing up an old thing; but it seems like the forum comes to life when I go to sleep.
Not sure what you're not getting about this. Okay, let me explain it as simply as I can:

I am the stream of consciousness (interrupted periodically by sleep) that has been the experience of my life. Even if another body containing a copy of me does the exact same things I do, it will experience the world slightly differently - from a different angle if nothing else. Thus, that other body will rapidly become something different from me. That other body may have my memories, but it is not the same mind as my own. If that other mind lives forever, it doesn't do anything for me. I want my own mind in a new, more durable body - NOT some copy.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60865 on: April 26, 2013, 12:35:37 pm »

You're right, I'm really not understanding your thinking.
Is it just an issue of it not being your original flesh-brain?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60866 on: April 26, 2013, 12:36:08 pm »

No. No. No. No.

Everyone has said no to that in multiple ways!
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60867 on: April 26, 2013, 12:36:50 pm »

No. No. No. No.

Everyone has said no to that in multiple ways!
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60868 on: April 26, 2013, 12:53:21 pm »

Then what do you mean by "original"?
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #60869 on: April 26, 2013, 12:58:08 pm »

You don't even have your original flesh-brain if you are over nine years old, after which all of the neurons you were born with will have died.
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