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[overseer05-15]

I would suggest you to date on Firefox rather than IE. At most use Edge if you absolutely must.

But Baal, everything is Chrome in the future!

[pisskop]

I would suggest you to date on Firefox rather than IE. At most use Edge if you absolutely must.

But Baal, everything is Chrome in the future!

If life is a stage, and each man in his time has his parts to play, then it stands to reason that everything is in fact more like an Opera.

[Frumple]

Though sadly Opera mostly sold out to Chrome's design choices and framework, so, uh.

Actually I could get behind some chrome opera. Cyberpunk opera work or somethin'. Probably be something in the vague direction of that scene from Fifth Element, which was pretty nice. Reminds me I've never gotten around to finding more stuff like it...

[wierd]

When we finally succeed in creating strong AI (that meets human muster, since humans are so damn hypocritical about the concept, always moving the goal post. ), rest assured the mechanoids will certain have some concept of creativity (since we will have forced the issue), and so chrome opera should be born from it eventually.

[Kagus]

I will ride into Valhalla, shiny and Google.

[LordBaal]

I would suggest you to date on Firefox rather than IE. At most use Edge if you absolutely must.

But Baal, everything is Chrome in the future!

I am a 74 years old guy (traped on the body of a 32 years old guy) that doesn't like change. I was born in Firefox and will be buried in it!

[Yoink]

Wow. Just finished binge-watching JourneyQuest.
I didn't expect it to be nearly as entertaining as the other stuff by the creators at first, but boy was I wrong.

[Iduno]

Though sadly Opera mostly sold out to Chrome's design choices and framework, so, uh.

Actually I could get behind some chrome opera. Cyberpunk opera work or somethin'. Probably be something in the vague direction of that scene from Fifth Element, which was pretty nice. Reminds me I've never gotten around to finding more stuff like it...

I think the main branch of Firefox did as well. Palemoon (a fork of Firefox) is the only one I can think of that has a different engine. Which is useful for the next Heartbleed-type attack.

Altered Carbon does some of the Future Fantasy stuff, but is less tongue-in-cheek and more dark and gritty. A lot more.

[overseer05-15]

I would suggest you to date on Firefox rather than IE. At most use Edge if you absolutely must.

But Baal, everything is Chrome in the future!

I am a 74 years old guy (traped on the body of a 32 years old guy) that doesn't like change. I was born in Firefox and will be buried in it!

*cocks shotgun*

Then perish.

[Reelya]

When we finally succeed in creating strong AI (that meets human muster, since humans are so damn hypocritical about the concept, always moving the goal post. ), rest assured the mechanoids will certain have some concept of creativity (since we will have forced the issue), and so chrome opera should be born from it eventually.

The real reason we can't make "strong AI" is that we're currently looking for a magic bullet - some simple network architecture that you just wire up and it becomes intelligent on it's own. The real problem is that the actual human brain consists of a large number of parts which are actually custom-built to do very specific jobs. You can see that in examples where people get localized brain damage and lose some very specific ability, such as the ability to recognize faces. Without the specific hard-wired "face recognition software" module, the rest of the brain is fucking terrible at recognizing faces. The most likely way we'll get to human-like intelligence is thus a way that most people would dismiss: by building a bunch of cobbled-together features then wiring them up together.

[wierd]

There's been some work on that front; combining several specialized networks with a larger one to leverage the capabilities of the specialists.

While not QUITE that thing, this is some recent work that is kinda on that track.
https://techxplore.com/news/2019-12-breakthrough-deep.html

For the most part though, my quip was about the "Not TRUE intelligence!" crowd.  You know the ones-- the people that make bullshit excuses for why something is not directly analogous to how a human does something, and therefor "Not TRUE intelligence!".  EG, we could very well end up with a perfectly sentient collage of neural networks, but it would operate on different models than a real human, and thus "Not TRUE intelligence!".  It was this that I was referring to as "Moving the goal posts".  "write me a screenplay" they will first say, then "Write a sonnet", then "Paint me a picture", then on and on and on, until the damned thing is able to wax philosophical about Buddhist koans, give an in-depth lecture about existentialism, and all that kind of stuff--- and still they would not accept it as "true" intelligence.

I meant that this endless and moronic cavalcade of goalpost moving will ultimately necessitate the AI producing "Chrome opera".

[NJW2000]

I meant that this endless and moronic cavalcade of goalpost moving will ultimately necessitate the AI producing "Chrome opera".

I would say that we haven't reached true AI until a computer is able to write the whole of Don Giovanni without copying from the original.

[Frumple]

We're already past that point if you throw enough computing power at it, tho'. Pile enough words in sequence with a little heuristic assistance and eventually you'll get something coherent. A chatbot with whoever wrote that's stylistic quirks worked into it would spit the thing out at some point.

[dragdeler]

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[Trekkin]

I meant that this endless and moronic cavalcade of goalpost moving will ultimately necessitate the AI producing "Chrome opera".

The question of "true intelligence" is also just not a helpful one to ask in the first place, being more of a ready-made deepity about something that the average layperson knows is at the forefront of science. It also leads into the standard slate of AI-related philosophical questions about morality while begging the question of what "true intelligence" is, which is a handy excuse to define it in some convenient way that lets people believe themselves to be exceptionally intelligent despite a total lack of relevant education or achievements. It doesn't say anything about what the software can actually do, though, so it's firmly in the realm of questions I get from donors but not colleagues, if you take my meaning.