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[lordcooper]

Well, why not?

If I was a dwarf, I'd sure as hell want to look at pictures of that bloody dwarven cheese when lying on MY bed.

[Simmura McCrea]

Because ceilings don't really exist. They're the floor of the level above.

[ArkDelgato]

Which raises a question, should having an engraved floor as your ceiling give a thought?

[lucusLoC]

How would you communicate that the ceiling is engraved? How about if the ceiling and the floor? What if the floor is rough? Would you need two seperate designations?

Even better, how would this work when engravings occupie oly one side of the wall?

[ChairmanPoo]

I was thinking: how about being able to build ceilings? At the moment it isnt relevant, but perhaps it would be nice NOT having mud as a ceiling, if you are dedicating yourself to build stone walls and floors. And building floors aboveground is a tad bit annoying, dontchathink

[Malsqueek]

Well, if you set up ceilings as an extension of a special "Support" type structure, you could build "center beam" rooms, "gothic arch" rooms, or such, and allow modifications to those arches to extend to the ceiling...

[Bricks]

I don't really see the point of building ceilings.  Ceilings which neither you nor the dwarfs can perceive.  For outdoors buildings, some sort of alternative to big blocks of floors for ceilings would be nice, but I don't see what advantage the ceiling would have over the floor.

The same sort of goes for engravings.  I can see the rationale of engraving a ceiling, but the game just doesn't allow it in any simple way.  You can already engrave so many tiles per room, its ridiculous.

[Fossaman]

You can already engrave so many tiles per room, its ridiculous.

No, it's not. Really fancy temples and the like would have pretty much every surface engraved, painted, frescoed, inlaid with mosaics, gilded...the player should have the ability to do all of these things.

Even if the player can't perceive engraved ceilings (yet, we don't know what the graphics are going to look like five years down the road), the dwarfs could be coded to look at and appreciate a ceiling that is only visible to the player in the look menu.

[ChairmanPoo]

I don't really see the point of building ceilings.  Ceilings which neither you nor the dwarfs can perceive.  For outdoors buildings, some sort of alternative to big blocks of floors for ceilings would be nice, but I don't see what advantage the ceiling would have over the floor.

The same sort of goes for engravings.  I can see the rationale of engraving a ceiling, but the game just doesn't allow it in any simple way.  You can already engrave so many tiles per room, its ridiculous.

well, my rationale for ceilings is on the line of not having to have the default upper tile ceiling. If you like, this could be simply being able to build a floor from the level underneath it.

[G-Flex]

Building a floor from the level underneath is kind of silly. If you're building the roof of a structure, you do it while on the level of the roof, not standing eight feet below.

[Qjet]

Building a floor from the level underneath is kind of silly. If you're building the roof of a structure, you do it while on the level of the roof, not standing eight feet below.

agreed

Also it makes more sense to engrave the roof then the floor, floor engravings would get worn out through traffic. Basically the only change to engraving you would need to make when engraving the roof is that the engraving is lost when the roof is removed, and not the floor. That would be all that changed.

[MrWiggles]

Well, ceiling may seem silly now, however when the cave in code is overlook, eventually load and support will need to be addressed, and that means supports.

Hopefully we can do things like fly buttresses or huge collums, and this is where ceiling will come into play.

[ChairmanPoo]

Building a floor from the level underneath is kind of silly. If you're building the roof of a structure, you do it while on the level of the roof, not standing eight feet below.

I'm thinking of a new sort of floor that would only show when you have dug out the tile.

See, what is silly is having to dig through a block of dirt to have a proper ceiling.

[Rvlion]

Maybe a stupid suggestion, but when a dwarf is normally only engraving the floor, why doesn’t (s)he just engrave the ceiling as well at the same time. And when checking the engravements of a specific floor tile it could just say…
Engraving screen:

Ceiling:
A few writings and a picture of “Dwarf Urist McSoldier stands alone before a large group of attacking elves with only is trusty Warhammer in the year of 201 in a fortress named “Elvendeath”.”
Floor:
A few writings and a picture of “In the year of 201 in a fortress named “Elvendeath” the dwarves are very happy to be watching elves flying all over the place while Urist McSoldier is having fun”

So no building additional floors or ceilings, just a few extra lines of text in the programming (when possible since I dont know what the ceiling would be if the level above is soil)

[ChairmanPoo]

BTW: perhaps my suggestion of being able to build ceilings will seem more in theme if I mention that I also strongly support giving goblins the ability to dig tunnels and sap walls (I would like to put a layer of defense above my head as well as my walls.