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[Graknorke]

I went back to confirm - the past has, in fact, been changed.

In what way? Did the mayor retroactively not need saving?

No, he was prevented from retroactively not needing saving.

[Remuthra]

Nothing!

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You asked for it, didn't you?

[Doomblade187]

I went back to confirm - the past has, in fact, been changed.

In what way? Did the mayor retroactively not need saving?

No, he was prevented from retroactively not needing saving.

Judging by the fact that John showed up again to prevent the mayor not needing saving, I can only assume that he's going to learn to control his powers. Or at least get very lucky with them.

[freeformschooler]

I went back to confirm - the past has, in fact, been changed.

Really? How so?

EDIT: Oh. I see.

Hot damn this is confusing.

[Aquillion]

So, wait, ultra-belatedly, let me see if I understand this right:

If Spades Slick pulls the black pin out of that Juju doll, then he shifts to a world where Snowman never died.

If Snowman never died, that means that the post-scratch Troll world was never destroyed.  This may also mean that Lord English was never there (though it's more likely that he will continue to always be there, because it can / will still be destroyed at some point in the future.)

If the post-scratch Troll world wasn't destroyed at the same time as the pre-scratch human world, that means that what we saw in Cascade never happened; the Tumor never exploded, which means the Green Sun was never created, which means none of the First Guardians have their powers, which means that most of the plot never happened (and possibly all of the plot never happened, because most of it consists of stable time loops that break without the meddling of the First Guardians.)

Is that correct?

[Graknorke]

It would mean that, if causality was in any way relevant in the Furthest Ring.

[FuzzyZergling]

So, wait, ultra-belatedly, let me see if I understand this right:

If Spades Slick pulls the black pin out of that Juju doll, then he shifts to a world where Snowman never died.

If Snowman never died, that means that the post-scratch Troll world was never destroyed.  This may also mean that Lord English was never there (though it's more likely that he will continue to always be there, because it can / will still be destroyed at some point in the future.)

If the post-scratch Troll world wasn't destroyed at the same time as the pre-scratch human world, that means that what we saw in Cascade never happened; the Tumor never exploded, which means the Green Sun was never created, which means none of the First Guardians have their powers, which means that most of the plot never happened (and possibly all of the plot never happened, because most of it consists of stable time loops that break without the meddling of the First Guardians.)

Is that correct?

I think that's what would happen from Jack's point of view, but it wouldn't actually change anything in the Alpha Timeline except make Jack disappear.

[Aquillion]

I think that's what would happen from Jack's point of view, but it wouldn't actually change anything in the Alpha Timeline except make Jack disappear.

I'm not sure the Juju doll works on the same principles as normal Homestuck time travel.  So far, every time anyone has used it, the narrative has followed them, and whatever world people end up in with regards to the pins stuck in the doll remained the Alpha Timeline; otherwise we wouldn't have seen all of the other Felt henchmen come back when Spades Slick pulled their pins out.

There's no reason to think that pulling Snowman's pin would work differently (except that the change might be far more drastic, and admittedly take him to a timeline that could never qualify for Alpha.)

Although actually, it's not really clear how it works right now, since pulling their pins seemed to simply bring them back to life without changing the timeline in any other way.  Still, for whatever reason Slick was unwilling to toy with Snowman's pin -- possibly because he wasn't sure he was up to seeing her again, possibly because of his innate hatred for Weird Time Shit.

Still, it'd be an amusing Chekov's Gun if pulling the black pin effectively retroactively unhappened the Green Sun and depowered everyone who relies on it.

[hops]

...So John retconned John from retconning?

[Rose]

Yes.

[DreamThorn]

I went back to confirm - the past has, in fact, been changed.

In what way? Did the mayor retroactively not need saving?

No, he was prevented from retroactively not needing saving.

Judging by the fact that John showed up again to prevent the mayor not needing saving, I can only assume that he's going to learn to control his powers. Or at least get very lucky with them.

"Getting very lucky with them" is what I would expect from John; he is the Heir of Breath after all.
 

[Qmarx]

Updoot.

Finally we can do shit.

[Furtuka]

O_O That thought bubble was pretty much what I was thinking at the time.

[Remuthra]

I was thinking of Act 6 Act 6 Act 1 with Caliborn, and the fact that this update was almost entirely two copypasted pictures.

[Liber celi]

Can we vote now if we off ourself?

I vote for shooting the camera. Can't go wrong with that.