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buzz killington

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Does one really need guards
« on: June 05, 2009, 11:14:15 am »

Fortress or royal.  I had a bunch of fortress guards but still got a Hammerer (fortunately he hasnt hammered anyone).  What is the point of having these guys?
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2009, 11:16:27 am »

To prevent the Hammerer killing anyone (hopefully) and to keep nobles happy. And, in one case of mine, to 1 hit kill a dragon.
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 11:17:44 am »

Actually I was going to make a post along those lines.  My one fortress guard champion axe-dwarf one-hit killed a dragon while he was fighting a pack of war dogs (the dragon was fighting the dogs, not the dwarf) :D
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2009, 11:40:28 am »

Fortress or royal.  I had a bunch of fortress guards but still got a Hammerer (fortunately he hasnt hammered anyone).  What is the point of having these guys?

One of my fortress designs has two entrances, the easy one which closes off with a drawbridge, and the hard one which runs through a gauntlet of crossbow fire, and into the fortress guards' barracks.

Nothing's survived that so far.  (Losing has been based on screwing up my food controls with the help of an overzealous hunter.)
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2009, 12:02:05 pm »

I believe eventually there are planned to be actual criminals (ie murderers and thieves) rather than the current crop of random mandate failers and tantrummers, and when that happens, guards should be useful.  Till then, they are just an army that suicidally runs to its own death whenever an enemy arrives.
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2009, 12:43:46 pm »

All the fortress guard serves to do at the moment is make it easier for your dwarves to get hammered(the bad way.), same as the Captain of the Guard.

Royal guard... I don't think they'll initiate hammerings, but who knows?
If both the FG and the Captain of the Guard are not present, no hammerings will be issued, and thus your dwarves can live on, mandate free.

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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2009, 02:01:34 pm »

Fortress or royal.  I had a bunch of fortress guards but still got a Hammerer (fortunately he hasnt hammered anyone).  What is the point of having these guys?

No and no. Plus...get rid of the Hammerer also.  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2009, 02:58:58 pm »

For some reason my guardsmen seem to train up in their combat skills a lot quicker and with less injuries from their buddies in squads. I let them train up to just below master and then switch them into the normal army to continue to their progression to champion.
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2009, 03:16:49 pm »

For some reason my guardsmen seem to train up in their combat skills a lot quicker and with less injuries from their buddies in squads. I let them train up to just below master and then switch them into the normal army to continue to their progression to champion.
In my old fort, the beds in the barracks were full of injured guards.  Just so you know.
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2009, 04:35:58 pm »

Fortress guards are part of the dwarven injustice system. Have no fortress guards and no sherif, and your hammerer will just socialize all day long while you ignore mandates for adamantine socks.

Royal guards do not take part in the dwarven injustice system, so they're safe to have.
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2009, 05:40:06 pm »

One advantage of having a Fortress Guard I've never seen brought up is that when a dwarf is released from prison, it gains a massive happiness bonus, almost certainly enough to drive him up to ecstatic, thus preventing it from tantruming until the thought wears off.

Of course, this only works if the dwarves get jailed instead of beaten. Most of my failed mandates resulted in beatings, but most of my violent tantrumers get jailed, so the guard is probably a crappy thing to have if your noble likes Crystal Glass, but very useful for curbing a tantrum spiral.
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2009, 05:41:44 pm »

Except for if everybody is to busy tantruming to feed the poor dorfs in jail.
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2009, 06:16:00 pm »

Or the only military dwarf you have is fully decked out in plate mail with a masterpeice warhammer-and berserk.  Oh, and he's decided to take up residence next to your armor and weapon stockpiles.
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2009, 06:25:57 pm »

I played one fort with no traps, bridges or doors for defense, just a trained military to handle sieges and ambushes. The fortress guard proved to be extremely useful in taking down the occasional thief/snatcher/sieger that made it into the fort. They were competent in battle when they bothered to head out and help as well. I did provide them with shields and chain mail, just no weapons.

In another fort I had captured a dragon and put him in an arena that was 'sealed' up with lead floodgates. That didn't really work so well against dragon fire and the guards contained the problem very quickly.
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Re: Does one really need guards
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2009, 08:48:24 pm »

Yes.

Because, in the absence of a hammerer, they have nothing to do except train recruits in wrestling, and absorb weapon strikes from sparring champions.
Every dead or mauled guard is one less dead useful dwarf.
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