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[Ioric Kittencuddler]

First of all, I never called cod4 a tactical shooter (the only reason I talk about them is to point out there is a type of shooters that wont benefit), and secondly, it uses regenerating health, and it works, and it doesnt increase downtime, at all. Even when you changed regeneration to not happen while being shot at, it still would work, just the same.

not sure you even read what I typed...

I'm just not sure how you expect to implement this.  You'd have to have much smaller fire fights to keep the difficulty manageable wouldn't you?

[Greiger]

Shiva stacking in L4D is the only thing I really don't like about the game.  Sure they had to make the players able to move through eachother to prevent griefing, but they could have put in SOMETHING to prevent people from just cornering up.  Even an utter noob team vs a skilled team of infected would be lucky to do any damage to the survivors if they know enough to corner up.  From what I've seen the best thing to do is just wait til they have to split up then try to hit.  Trying to do anything while they are cornered up just makes ya stare at a respawn timer for 20 seconds.

There are servers that block popular corner camping spots, but they way it's done is awkward.  If you come within 3 feet of one of the corners it will just warp away from the corner.  Which can be annoying if your moving around normally and happen to end up too close, or an infected smoker pulls yer buddy into the area keeping you from being able to melee the tongue off of them, while the smoker safely pulls from a hard to hit location.

L4D2 seems to have an answer to that at least.  The spitter looks like she would be able to inflict significant damage to a cornering team or at least force them to split up and move to a new corner from relative safety.  The spit just needs to hit nearby the survivors, so she doesn't even need a direct LOS to do damage.  An organized team should be able to time the spit to have the other infected strike.  Instead of having to wait for the tank to show for a crescendo.

[Angellus]

Chrome gave me a Malware warning on this page... weird.

[LASD]

Chrome gave me a Malware warning on this page... weird.

Yeah, I got that too, maybe it's the Valve pictures, I'll remove 'em.

Also, 3 days to public demo!

[chaoticag]

Had fun with the demo, although I really prefer the old characters. One thing that looks promising is that there is a story-ish feel to it, instead of the original "here is the scenario for this bit". There is also a locked scavanger mode, and I just noticed after playing the demo a few more times that there is an AK47 in this game that shoots one hit kills at normal zombies. Also, swinging a guitar at zombies while standing on scafoldings feels cool, although the game forces you to choose between a melee weapon and a sidearm. Looks like there will be a "scavenger mode" whatever that is (stopped caring about the features a game offers a while ago, now I wait till it comes out and pleasently suprises me.)

[Dasleah]

Pre-ordered the game a few days or so ago, but didn't download the demo because the fiancee and I mainly play the game with friends, and most of them have even worse internet than ours, so by the time the demo would finish, the full game would be released anyway.

And yes, it's the Australian XBox 360 version. PC versions are confirmed for getting an update pack in the form of free DLC to re-introduce all the gore and Riot Zombies, but how that'll work for the Xbox is still shaky right now. Odds are it'll never be introduced, so my apologies in advance if any of us are playing The Parish together - it's confirmed that if any of the players are Australian, then it removes the Uncommon Common Riot Cop Zombie from that campaign for all players.

And just to sweeten the deal, how about a comparison between Australian and normal versions? It doesn't really bother me that much from a playing perspective, as besides from the Riot Zombie, the changes don't affect gameplay at all, being largely cosmetic. However, censorship is censorship, so boo to that. Our last attempt at a mass petition and protest to the appropriate powers didn't work, voting in a new federal government didn't work, so who knows what we'll do this time.

[Jakkarra]

Not to detract from Dasleah's statement but,

My New PC is allowed to be ordered! I shall be able to play this game with you all! May i ask, what is the new Melee weapon you get for pre-ordering?

[Greiger]

The preorder thing told me I get a Baseball bat.  Of course it's not in the demo, and I don't know how it will be implemented ingame.

[Jakkarra]

I'd rather have my cricket bat.

But if it has some special power...

[Jreengus]

However, censorship is censorship, so boo to that. Our last attempt at a mass petition and protest to the appropriate powers didn't work, voting in a new federal government didn't work, so who knows what we'll do this time.

Have you got an Australian equivalent of the BNP, the party everyone wants to stop? If so get organised and offer to vote for them if they remove ridiculous censors. Hopefully that will shock the other parties into changing their policies, of course you'd need to get a large group of people who are all willing to do it so it is seen as a big thing.

[Jackrabbit]

No, what we should do is refuse classification for those who did this ridiculousness and move them to America. The censored version would be a robot that said "hello", "I don't understand" and "where's the understanding of modern culture?"

Nobody will tell the difference.

[LASD]

The L4D2 demo is now available for everyone, I recommend checking it out, though it is a rather long download. There's great quantities of fun in the two levels of the demo. Killing zombies with the frying pan just begs the text "Zombie is propelled away from the force of the blow. Zombie has been struck down"

Also, about 2 weeks to go to the full game. I'm eagerly awaiting to be able to ride a survivor to the sunset.

[Xotes]

I tried it out.

It is awesome, as is Nick. It lags a bit on some of the more open areas, but it's still good. Also managed to beat Expert with bots only, which was awesome.

[Ioric Kittencuddler]

I tried it out.

It is awesome, as is Nick. It lags a bit on some of the more open areas, but it's still good. Also managed to beat Expert with bots only, which was awesome.

Sounds like the L4D demo.   I remember beating expert all the time when it was only one and a half levels worth of gameplay.  I also remember liking it more than I ended up liking the actual game since with the demo I was actually expecting a lack of content.

[Asehujiko]

I have the problem that occasionally my game freezes for 30 seconds or so while looping the last 0.5 seconds of sound, after which everything moves at lightning speed for a second before returning to normal, usually with me at 15 health, incapacitated and a hunter sitting on me with everybody else 5 miles away voting to kick me for being afk. This problem and the fact that there was no solution for it was he reason i didn't purchase l4d1 and i would like to know if there's finally a way to get rid of it.