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[webadict]

I feel like this might create a fissure in the Tech choices, though... but the idea itself has merits with other Aliens as well (Exterminator?) The Robot Buddy sounds pretty decent the more I think about it. And giving the MS some small choice on what roles they have would be nice for them. I've always felt Aliens get the short end of the stick a lot (which they should), so choices can certainly help them out and make them a bit more fun.

[Leafsnail]

I was responding to Doll's suggestion, I even quoted them that time.

[Mephansteras]

I was responding to Doll's suggestion, I even quoted them that time.

I see, I see, I kept reading it wrong. Sorry about that.

[Mephansteras]

Ok, so how does this sound?


Harvester
    Race: Alien
    Goal: Kill/Find
    Rules: The Harvester is collecting things for its own purposes. There are two different types of Harvesters. A Harvester may choose to Abduct another player during the Night Phase.
      Organ Harvester - The Abducted player is killed. The Harvester acts as a Doom Speaker, and is building an Abomination. After some # of nights (based on player count) the Abomination is released and performs a Night Kill attempt on every player.
      Mind Stealer - Takes the Role from the Abducted player and adds it to their stockpile. The abducted player reverts to a vanilla role for the rest of the game (Aliens will all become survivors). The Mind Stealer begins the game with 2 Roles available (1 Investigative, 1 Random). The Mind Stealer may choose to take on any Role in its stockpile for the next Day/Night phase and use that role instead of Abducting. If the MS chooses a Robot instead of Tech slots they may give the Robot a Role each day from their stockpile. The Robot can use that role in addition to any actions the MS takes, and the MS also begins with a Bodyguard Role of their choice in addition to the other two. The Mind Stealer needs to steal X 'points' worth of Roles to win. Points per role will be revealed to the MS during the role PM.   
    Tech: OH - 0 Slots    MS - 1 Robot or 2 Small Tech slots
    Victory: Organ Harvester wins when all other players are dead. The OH must be alive at the end of the game. The Mind Stealer wins if it has stolen enough points worth of Roles.

[doll]

You didn't chance MS's wincon in the Victory section.

[Leafsnail]

It seems like the Mind Stealer would just perform an arbitrary number of wipes and then leave? It's difficult to see how anyone else can plan around the role when they don't know how many points they need or what each role is worth. Also if your win condition is based entirely on the abduction action I can't imagine many situations where you'd choose not to use it.

[Mephansteras]

Well, you'd know exactly what you needed at the start of the game. The Role PM for a Mind Stealer would have how many points you need and how much each role is worth in it.

As for not Abducting...yeah, probably not often, but I wanted to make it an option just in case.

[Mephansteras]

I think I'll go with this version for now. We can always revisit it whenever it shows up in a game and we have more data to work on.

[Mephansteras]

To answer a rules question PM'd to me:

We'd discussed a while back the issue with the flip of Advanced Doppelgangers. Based on my notes, one of the impetus for the expansion of Abduction type roles was to help deal with this.

Therefore, since I don't think it's been stated anywhere prior to now: Advanced Doppelgangers, upon using Consume & Replace, will have the original player disappear in the same manor as an Abduction.

This will serve to cover the AD's actions a little bit while still giving the town clues as to what might be going on. As the AD can only do this once, unlike the other abuduction roles, it will still be possible for town to figure it out once no more abduction happen (or were happening up to that point, should it be a late game switch).

[Mephansteras]

So many rules questions this game. I suppose it makes sense, given how infrequently Paranormals have been run in the past few years.

Mephansteras (Question 1)
If during Night X
Observant Guard A protects Observant Guard B,
and Observant Guard B protects Villager C
and Scum D kills Villager C
Who will die, and who will be told that Scum D tried to kill someone?

Mephansteras (Question 2)
If during Night Y
Observant Guard A protects Observant Guard B,
Observant Guard B protects Observant Guard A,
and Scum C kills Observant Guard A
Who will die, and who will be told that Scum C tried to kill someone?

To answer question 1)
  A dies and informs B of the attacker's identity.

To answer question 2)
  B dies and informs A of the attacker's identity.


The logic chain here is as follows:
  Bodyguards (other than Wardens) basically redirect an attack onto themselves. The redirections happen before kills are resolved. Therefore only the final state of the attacks actually happens.

Question 2 is fairly straightforward. Question 1 is slightly more complicated, but ultimately just ends up shifting who was attacked, from a mechanics standpoint.

[TheBiggerFish]

What happens if an Observant Guard protects an active War Vet?

[Mephansteras]

What happens if an Observant Guard protects an active War Vet?

He gets shot. And probably 'informs' the War Vet of who shot him in a horrified/sarcastic/betrayed sort of way.

[webadict]

What happens if an Observant Guard protects an active War Vet?

He gets shot. And probably 'informs' the War Vet of who shot him in a horrified/sarcastic/betrayed sort of way.

Yes!

[4maskwolf]

What happens if an Observant Guard protects an active War Vet?

He gets shot. And probably 'informs' the War Vet of who shot him in a horrified/sarcastic/betrayed sort of way.

Yes!

* 4maskwolf silently passes Wuba $20

[webadict]

What happens if an Observant Guard protects an active War Vet?

He gets shot. And probably 'informs' the War Vet of who shot him in a horrified/sarcastic/betrayed sort of way.

"I can't believe you've done this!"