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Keep it as is

3 (12%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win

1 (4%)

Change it to a full Jester, but without game-end on win

5 (20%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win AFTER day 3

3 (12%)

Change it to a Jester with the loss of the Next Day phase

4 (16%)

Remove it entirely

9 (36%)

Other (explain)

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 25

[Alexhans]

He could at least prove his willingness by following the dead people's orders.

[Mr.Person]

The question is though, HOW could a medium prove that they are townie?

How do you prove anybody is town in a mafia game?

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, exactly.  The dead would have to work out whether they could trust him.

[Alexhans]

If there's more than one medium and I'm dead... there's no way in hell I'm gonna speak until they both claim their roles in the main thread or one of them flips.

[Leafsnail]

If there's more than one medium and I'm dead... there's no way in hell I'm gonna speak until they both claim their roles in the main thread or one of them flips.

Exactly, so the whole "info flying everywhere" thing is averted, at least mostly.

[JanusTwoface]

So can either the dead folks or the mediums remain anonymous in the dead chat?  Something like using the name Medium #1 or Dead Guy #12 or the like?  I remember this idea coming up at some point and then sort of fading (I think).

[Alexhans]

what's the point of that???

The covert scum medium will get all that information for his team while the covert town medium will acomplish nothing unless he tries to share info in the main thread.  At wich point he will be probably found out and killed at night.

I think that medium claiming and going for protection (IF, he has useful info) might be the best deal.

[Leafsnail]

Nah, they shouldn't be anonymous, but as long as the scum one doesn't post, they can't be sure of his innocence.  Even if he does post, the dead will have to watch the main thread and judge for themselves whether he's mafia or not.

[Alexhans]

nah... it's stupid... a town medium shouldnt try to get info from the dead if he there's more than one medium...

[Mr.Person]

Of course, if any of the dead can clear the medium, they all start talking. If any of the dead can prove the medium is scum (agent, reporter, ect.) then the rest of the dead shut up.

[Alexhans]

oh, just great... people want to keep the cult... 

Why don't we make this votes PUBLIC?  And give a reason for your vote?  Otherwise it's plain dumb to let anyone randomly vote without considering if it will be a good game or not...

[Pandarsenic]

I voted against Cult for the time being. We can't even balance with 1 Scum team so far.

[JanusTwoface]

I think that having two mafias makes it more likely for the town to win (I could be completely off base with that though) and the town really doesn't need that much help at this point.

Like I've said though, I would like to see one game with two mafias and a higher number of power roles.  I have a feeling it might still turn out broken, but it also might work out.  So I voted to keep the two mafias for the time being.  If they manage to wipe each other out again, on to plan B or C or whatever we're on now.

Oh, and does anyone (mostly Meph here) know when the next round will be scheduled to start?  Both of the Mafias I was in just sort of ended and I'm looking forward to a new one.

[Mephansteras]

I should be putting up the sign-up thread for Round 8 today. I'm a bit busy at work, but I'll make time during lunch if nothing else.

[Mephansteras]

Ok, current rule set has been put into place. I've put the rules about the cult into the Accepted changes paragraph in post #3 or so.

Keep in mind, most games won't have both factions. The way my current system is set up 3/6 will be Dopp only, 2/6 Cult only, and 1/6 both. If the game has fewer then 18 players, it's 3/5 dopps and 2/5 cult, with no chance of both.