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[Jakkarra]

ive been trawling through threads, and i consistantly see gripes pertaining to the upper Z-level limit (the one into the sky). would it be beneficial to have the upper Z-levels expand when hit? so that when you build into the sky, the heighest Z-level is increased. this would mean that people would not be confined by even the sky itself!

it would, however, remove the ability to "pave the sky" as it would be technicaly impossible to even reach said sky with this setup.

Love, jakkarra

[PMantix]

The only problem I have with it is that an unknowing player could make their fort unplayable by 'adding' too many z levels to the simulation. In my opinion, having to start a new fort because of machine limitations is the least fun of any of the ways to loose.

But then again, setting a high population or allowing cats to go unexterminated has the same effect.


Maybe have a master z upper (and lower) limit in the init, but allow the map to adjust dynamically as the player explores and builds as required? That way an experienced user can tweak to their hearts desire, while still keeping the training wheels on for the nubz

[TettyNullus]

I do likes the idea of being able to reach into space, or even into mantle 

And I agree with there being an init setting to allow range of reach above the peak and under the lowest surface. Preferrably there being just magma with scattering of adamanite (still rare, and it's damn deep there anyway ) and obsidian below the zeroth level. As for being unplayable, well, plenty of us already does it by accident, we just gotta learn to adjust the options to our tastes 

[Jakkarra]

tettynulus, that is actually a good extension of my idea, i was going to put something similar, but i thought i may be a little stupid, apparantly not, however!

Also, mantix, you are completely correct.

Love, jakkarra

[Aspgren]

The tower of babel comes to mind ...

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didn't there use to happen something horrible if you dug too deep or too much? It hasn't happened to me yet but everyone always put these spoiler tags in so I assume it has to do with megabeasts. Something similar could be in effect for the sky?

[Jakkarra]

the dig too deep thing was

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HFS, which when some was mined, a percentage check was rolled each season, this increased with the amount mined, and if the check was succesful you lost your fort to a message saying you dug too deep. there was no safe amount of HFS to dig out, any and you were eventually screwed.

this was in the 2D version, however, and other than the pits, and seiges that the wealth will bring, HFS is perfectly safe.

Love, jakkarra

[Smew]

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HSS!
Hidden Sky Stuff!

[Duke 2.0]

 I propose the number of explorable extra levels is set in the init file. Say you are making a tower, but you embark on a plain? Add some levels to the init and restart DF. Never going to touch the sky? Turn off extra z-levels in the init! Now understand areas that are 'revealed'(Aka, loaded) are never erased this way, they merely make any other tiles not loaded or used unavailable to expantion unless the init option is set back.

 So after making the grand tower or making as much mines as you would ever want, set the used z-levels to very low to improve FPS, and set them back to do more digging/building. This can also be used to expand the number of available z-levels, making possible a nano-fortress going down 100 z-levels of a magma pipe.

[tsen]

If they cost CPU cycles, I'm 100% for this.

[sweitx]

I do likes the idea of being able to reach into space, or even into mantle 

And I agree with there being an init setting to allow range of reach above the peak and under the lowest surface. Preferrably there being just magma with scattering of adamanite (still rare, and it's damn deep there anyway ) and obsidian below the zeroth level. As for being unplayable, well, plenty of us already does it by accident, we just gotta learn to adjust the options to our tastes 

I think the "below zeroth" level should be just a gigantic frigging pool of magma, constantly renewed to 7/7.  And once you expose it, the magma may rise a few levels and then fall back once in a while (and sometimes just shoot up to near the surface, unless you seal it off with walls).
"By the Armok!  We have found Armok's beating, burning heart!"

EDIT:

And sometimes spirit of fire and demon would spawn in the z-level right above the magma layer.  You won't get a too-deep counter, but you'll have to figure out how to survive the constant incursion of spirit of fire/demons.

[Craftling]

I dont think you should be able to hit space though... It would be impossible to do and then if you did, everyone would die

[Duke 2.0]

 A tower just isn't dwarven unless you can't breathe at the top.

[Foa]

Oh noes, you've found a flying fel goblin fort, and you are normal goblins, it's either converting to Armok, of being sacrificed.

The fort seems to be powered by a familiar force that you and your green kin have known before, back when you ( and kin ) and the dwarves still lived underground, in peace, and uncontaminated by the light... Armok?

And I was referring to Metal Chao's hypothesis of goblin history.

[Puzzlemaker]

BAM

http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=4833.0

[MrWiggles]

Hmm... There are restriction to how things can go, before the the affect of the rotation of the Earth becomes an issue, and lets not forget that Dorfs are c1400's. It also a weight issue, currently you can't make flying buttresses to relieve this weight and stress.