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[Muz]

Hmm.. I just realized that dwarves could construct stairs from sand, and then build a long tunnel into the sand, as well as huge rooms. This doesn't seem very logical

I suggest that stairs should be able to be carved out of sand.. and if mining is going to be possible, at least make it much more likely for cave-ins to happen if you're going to be digging a sand cave!

[Zasit Alebath]

Well it is an exploit, but i think Toady has bigger priorities

[Tormy]

Not just sand castles...the material system is quite basic right now. Constructions&Cave-ins must be related to & depend on materials. Random cave-ins should happen while digging through loose materials. Making a room out of loose materials shouldn't be possible at all.

[Neonivek]

Ever try to dig real deep in sand with your hands?

Sand can get quite hard... So it isn't strictly impossible to make sand staircases... just not any that will last for a while

[Muz]

Ah, that's nice to know. I cover the exploit by making 'scaffolding' - building some walls or a floor to where ever I dig out sand.

Sand does get hard, but I doubt that it gets hard enough to build a staircase strong enough to carry a dwarf in heavy armor and the body he drags behind him

[Shurikane]

Hmm.. I just realized that dwarves could construct stairs from sand, and then build a long tunnel into the sand, as well as huge rooms. This doesn't seem very logical

I suggest that stairs should be able to be carved out of sand.. and if mining is going to be possible, at least make it much more likely for cave-ins to happen if you're going to be digging a sand cave!

I am turning this suggestion right around

Au contraire, my friends, I suggest Toady implement a way to build sand constructions.  And then allow a general order called "save sand" which makes sand digging slower, but creates a "sand" item just as if you had mined into rock.

Bonus: build your sand castle on the shoreline.

[Silverionmox]

Also, there's a difference between river sand and beach sand: the former has edged grains, the latter round: that's why sand sculpturers preferentially use river sand.

[Tormy]

Sand does get hard, but I doubt that it gets hard enough to build a staircase strong enough to carry a dwarf in heavy armor and the body he drags behind him

Eh, that is for sure. 

Hmm.. I just realized that dwarves could construct stairs from sand, and then build a long tunnel into the sand, as well as huge rooms. This doesn't seem very logical

I suggest that stairs should be able to be carved out of sand.. and if mining is going to be possible, at least make it much more likely for cave-ins to happen if you're going to be digging a sand cave!

I am turning this suggestion right around

Au contraire, my friends, I suggest Toady implement a way to build sand constructions.  And then allow a general order called "save sand" which makes sand digging slower, but creates a "sand" item just as if you had mined into rock.

Bonus: build your sand castle on the shoreline.

Like how could that be possible? Let's try to be realistic. 

[Shurikane]

Like how could that be possible? Let's try to be realistic. 

Did you forget what game we're playing? 

[Mephansteras]

Um...no, I don't think he has.

Look at the stuff that Toady is adding in for the next release. I think realism is important to him. He may add in fantastic creatures, and I'm sure magic will eventually break the laws of physics that we're used to. But he seems to be going for a super-realistic game at the base, and then adding in fantastic stuff off of that base.

Just look at the new Stone material raws!

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[MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
   These are the state names, adjectives and colors for the material.
   [STATE_COLOR:ALL_SOLID:GRAY]
   [STATE_NAME:ALL_SOLID:stone]
   [STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:stone]
   [STATE_COLOR:LIQUID:ORANGE]
   [STATE_NAME:LIQUID:magma]
   [STATE_ADJ:LIQUID:magma]
   [STATE_COLOR:GAS:ORANGE]
   [STATE_NAME:GAS:boiling magma]
   [STATE_ADJ:GAS:boiling magma]
   The modifier used to all values involving the material.
   [MATERIAL_VALUE:1]
   Temperature information.
   [SPEC_HEAT:800]
   [IGNITE_POINT:NONE]
   [MELTING_POINT:11500]
   [BOILING_POINT:14000]
   [HEATDAM_POINT:NONE]
   [COLDDAM_POINT:NONE]
   [FIXED_TEMP:NONE]
   Density information.  Not used for very much, but it comes up in inventory weight and fighting.
   [SOLID_DENSITY:2670]
   [liQUID_DENSITY:3300]
   Not used.
   [MOLAR_MASS:36000]
   Used for blunt-force combat, measured in KPa.  Data scattered around the net (used compressive strength).  All very spotty.
   [IMPACT_YIELD:120000] used marble
   [IMPACT_FRACTURE:120000]
   [IMPACT_ELASTICITY:0]
   Not used.
   [COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:120000]
   [COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:120000]
   [COMPRESSIVE_ELASTICITY:0]
   [TENSILE_YIELD:15000]
   [TENSILE_FRACTURE:15000]
   [TENSILE_ELASTICITY:0]
   [TORSION_YIELD:15000]
   [TORSION_FRACTURE:15000]
   [TORSION_ELASTICITY:0]
   Used for cutting calculations in combat, measured in KPa.  Data scattered around the net (used tensile strength).  All very spotty.
   [SHEAR_YIELD:15000] used marble
   [SHEAR_FRACTURE:15000]
   [SHEAR_ELASTICITY:0]
   Not used.
   [BENDING_YIELD:15000]
   [BENDING_FRACTURE:15000]
   [BENDING_ELASTICITY:0]
   A unitless measure for how sharp the edge is for combat purposes.
   [MAX_EDGE:1000]
   Not used.
   [ABSORPTION:100]
   Determines what sorts of objects can be built with the item.
   [ITEMS_HARD]

[Variance]

But he seems to be going for a super-realistic game at the base, and then adding in fantastic stuff off of that base.

Soon we'll have individual muscles and tendons, even, say, molar mass.

   [MOLAR_MASS:36000]

Oh, wait.

[Hague]

Boy, when do we get ph?

[G-Flex]

Giving it a year before the periodic table itself gets worked in.

[Waylon]

Hmm.. I just realized that dwarves could construct stairs from sand, and then build a long tunnel into the sand, as well as huge rooms. This doesn't seem very logical

I suggest that stairs should be able to be carved out of sand.. and if mining is going to be possible, at least make it much more likely for cave-ins to happen if you're going to be digging a sand cave!

You're thinking of topsoil sand, like the loose sand you find on the surface on the beach. Packed non-beach sand is actually quite hard.

[Hectonkhyres]

You should be able to build with sand. Its just that it shouldn't be good for much.

If you try to make a wall out of sand, you can... but it will be lined on either side with a sand ramp unless something is in the way. If you remove one of these ramps, that chunk of your wall transforms into a sand floor. You can't make ceilings out of sand but you can cover a 1 z-level enclosure made out of sand walls with some other material. You should'nt be able to build a square of sand wall anywhere that isn't surrounded on all eight sides with a floor tiles, ramps, or impassable objects. You would have to make sloped piles like the following if you want to build up.

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Unfortunately intoxication and sleep deprivation prevent me from expressing myself more clearly.