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Author Topic: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.  (Read 1682319 times)

Robsoie

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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13800 on: July 30, 2016, 05:57:49 pm »

I remember that it's often recommended to only train weapon skill up to when the min delay is reached (by example the "greatsword of the stork" i carry has it reached at skill 18) for them as apparently the disminishing return does not make it worthwhile to continue train them.

But while the skill level is known for specific weapon , i never know when it become useless to train strength and switch to dexterity for my melee characters, as i guess the disminishing return strikes hard there too. So is there some value that makes you stop increasing strength and focus to dexterity ?
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13801 on: July 30, 2016, 06:16:08 pm »

I think the rule of thumb is basically never strength unless you plan to wear plate armor or heavier.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13802 on: July 30, 2016, 06:33:45 pm »

at least i got it required as my berserker has been aiming for armor and has been wearing plate for a while before finally switching to a recently found dragon hide enchanted into a pearl dragon armour.
Too bad i had already put so much in strength as the pearl armour gives the same benefit as the plate for a much lesser encumbrement, but who can guess you'll find one of those rare pearl dragon hide.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13803 on: July 30, 2016, 06:41:08 pm »

When I played MiFi a lot, I put everything into dexterity because the base strength is so high (~20 at the beginning iirc). YMMV with weaker classes, though.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13804 on: July 31, 2016, 06:02:49 am »

Found these interesting "dodging penalty" charts about strength vs penalty depending on various encumbrement for a set armor skill :
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=195791&sid=cb12cc2ce8b452a89767457ac79b3d7e#p195791
(x is the strength value, y axis is the penalty)

it's from 2014 no idea if those numbers are still valid for current and trunk. But looks like i indeed put too much in strength considering what i have :/

edit :

just ran into the Swamp rune, after annihilating an impressive amount of hydras and swamp dragons, thanks my brother in arms that saved me from trouble at a specific point ... obviously those damned thorn hunters , still as strong as i remember and hit harder than absolutely anything i faced so far, many headed hydra and dragons included, couldn't believe how fast health was going down when i faced one.
I don't want to imagine a low HP character getting hit by those ranged 3d18 damage a couple of time



my character so far seems to be doing good, out of those stupidly strong thorn hunters (at least they die to fire slightly quickly) , i never went close to death yet
But can't believe i only found 1 ring, and no amulet up to now, good that berserker are very strong as a class and can survive on their own nicely.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.19-a0-1021-g80cc50c (tiles) character file.

Kirg the Carver (Gargoyle Berserker)               Turns: 22223, Time: 01:34:23

Health: 98/98      AC: 33    Str: 28    XL:     15   Next: 81%
Magic:  22/22      EV: 12    Int:  9    God:    Trog [*****.]
Gold:   1519       SH:  0    Dex:  6    Spells: 0 memorised, 14 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis +    X - +8 great sword {flame, +Rage Str+3 Dex-4}
rCold  + . .      Gourm    .    f - +0 pearl dragon armour
rNeg   + + .      Faith    .    (shield currently unavailable)
rPois  8          Spirit   .    G - +0 helmet "Roniha" {rElec rC+}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    (no cloak)
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    w - +2 pair of gloves
SustAt .          Harm     .    r - +0 pair of boots
MR     +....                    (no amulet)
Stlth  ..........               (no ring)
                                Z - ring of see invisible

@: flying, somewhat resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: big wings, negative energy resistance 1, electricity resistance, unbreathing,
petrification resistance, rot immunity, AC +11
a: Stop Flying, Berserk, Trog's Hand, Brothers in Arms, Burn Spellbooks,
Renounce Religion, Evoke Berserk Rage
}: 1/15 runes: decaying


You are on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts.
You worship Trog.
Trog is extremely pleased with you.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 3 branches of the dungeon, and seen 21 of its levels.

You have collected 1519 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 e - a +2 scimitar of freezing
 u - a +3 triple sword of slicing
 E - an uncursed arbalest of flaming
 X - the +8 great sword of the Stork (weapon) {flame, +Rage Str+3 Dex-4}
   (Trog gifted it to you on level 11 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It has been specially enchanted to burn those struck by it, causing extra
   injury to most foes and up to half again as much damage against particularly
   susceptible opponents. Big, fiery blades are also staple armaments of
   hydra-hunters.
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your dexterity (-4).
   It lets you go berserk.
Missiles
 a - 200 bolts
 o - 26 poisoned needles
 x - 2 throwing nets (quivered)
 W - 20 curare-tipped needles
Armour
 b - a +1 scale mail of fire resistance
 f - a +0 pearl dragon armour (worn)
 r - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 w - a +2 pair of gloves (worn)
 G - the +0 helmet "Roniha" (worn) {rElec rC+}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It protects you from cold.
   It insulates you from electricity.
Jewellery
 Z - a ring of see invisible (left hand)
Wands
 l - a wand of iceblast
 q - a wand of paralysis
 s - a wand of iceblast
 z - a wand of flame {zapped: 2}
 A - a wand of paralysis
 D - a wand of iceblast
 O - a wand of confusion {zapped: 3}
 S - a wand of lightning (8/15)
 T - a wand of slowing
 V - a wand of lightning
Scrolls
 H - 3 scrolls of remove curse
 I - 3 scrolls of magic mapping
 J - 12 scrolls of teleportation
 K - 2 scrolls of fear
 L - 6 scrolls of enchant weapon
 M - 2 scrolls of blinking
 N - 4 scrolls of immolation
 P - a scroll of brand weapon
 Q - 3 scrolls of fog
 U - a scroll of silence
Potions
 g - 2 potions of cancellation
 h - 3 potions of might
 k - 2 potions of resistance
 m - a potion of agility
 n - 4 potions of haste
 p - 2 potions of invisibility
 v - 4 potions of brilliance
 R - a potion of berserk rage
Books
 j - a book of the Earth   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Leda's Liquefaction          Hexes/Earth                   4
    b - Bolt of Magma                Conjuration/Fire/Earth        5
    c - Statue Form                  Transmutation/Earth           6
    d - Iron Shot                    Conjuration/Earth             6
    e - Shatter                      Earth                         9
   
   
   Trog disapproves of the use of such an item.
Miscellaneous
 y - a phantom mirror
Comestibles
 c - 20 bread rations
 i - 2 meat rations
 Y - 19 fruits


   Skills:
 + Level 13,0 Fighting
 + Level 13,8 Long Blades
   Level 6,0 Bows
 * Level 6,8 Crossbows
 + Level 11,9 Armour
 + Level 8,4 Dodging
 - Level 2,2 Stealth
 * Level 10,2 Evocations


You have 14 spell levels left.
You don't know any spells.

Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (13/15)            Temple (0/1) D:6            Lair (4/6) D:11
  Swamp (4/4) Lair:4        Snake (0/4) Lair:2          Orc (0/2) D:11
 Vaults (0/5) D:13       

Altars:
Ashenzari
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Hepliaklqana
Kikubaaqudgha
Nemelex Xobeh
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Zin

Shops:
D:8 :   D:9 %   D:13 (

Annotations:
Lair:2 exclusion: oklob plant


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You are resistant to torment.
Your stone body is resilient. (AC +11)
You are immune to poison.
Your large and strong wings let you fly indefinitely.
You resist negative energy. (rN+)
You are resistant to electric shocks. (rElec)
You can survive without breathing.
You are immune to petrification.
You are immune to rotting.


Message History

You drop 2 scrolls labeled ZEGO WOOROANT.
You drop a scroll labeled GUCVUTZ SIESSE.
You drop a scroll labeled VUIMIO CYCRO.
Items here: !!!!!
4 potions of haste; a potion of agility; 2 potions of resistance
3 potions of might; 6 potions of flight
n - 4 potions of haste
m - a potion of agility
k - 2 potions of resistance
h - 3 potions of might
d - 6 potions of flight
You see here a battleaxe.
You see here a scroll labeled VUIMIO CYCRO.
You see here a scroll labeled GUCVUTZ SIESSE.
You see here a potion of magic.
You drop 6 potions of flight.
You see here a potion of magic.
You see here a scroll labeled VUIMIO CYCRO.
Char dumped to 'morgue/Kirg.txt'.
Save game and exit?

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There are no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
  A tentacled monstrosity (Swamp:4)
  2 thorn hunters
  Snorg (D:12)
  An ogre mage (D:13)
  17 hydras
  Fannar (D:10)
  A centaur warrior (D:13)
  A ghost crab (Swamp:4)
  A catoblepas (D:13)
  8 alligators
  A spriggan berserker (Swamp:4)
  A spriggan druid (Swamp:4)
  2 unseen horrors (D:11)
  2 shambling mangroves
  2 swamp dragons (Swamp:4)
  2 hill giants
  3 ugly things
  An orc knight (D:13)
  2 griffons
  A hornet (Swamp:3)
  6 elephants (Lair:4)
  A centaur zombie (D:13)
  Joseph (D:7)
  16 spiny frogs
  3 gargoyles
  A torpor snail (Lair:4)
  Psyche (D:9)
  4 komodo dragons
  5 yaktaurs (D:13)
  2 rime drakes
  A polar bear (D:9)
  3 giant leeches
  A boulder beetle (Lair:3)
  3 trolls
  4 two-headed ogres
  10 slime creatures
  8 bog bodies
  11 blink frogs
  A meliai zombie (D:13)
  A shadow (D:12)
  5 spriggans
  5 wyverns
  3 basilisks
  35 yaks
  A wraith (D:12)
  A hungry ghost (D:6)
  3 hippogriffs
  A steam dragon (D:10)
  23 vampire mosquitoes
  Menkaure (D:4)
  2 nagas (Lair:2)
  10 insubstantial wisps
  10 swamp worms
  10 porcupines
  5 water moccasins
  3 ice beasts
  4 phantoms
  15 orc warriors
  12 swamp drakes
  A necrophage (D:8)
  3 black bears
  An eye of draining (D:11)
  7 wasps
  A boggart (D:13)
  5 sky beasts
  8 wolves
  7 ogres
  7 centaurs
  2 crocodiles
  2 big kobolds (D:13)
  18 giant frogs
  2 scorpions
  4 wights (D:11)
  6 killer bees
  8 howler monkeys
  2 electric eels (Lair:4)
  4 crimson imps
  A wasp zombie (D:6)
  2 giant frog zombies
  6 hounds
  A quasit (D:12)
  2 jellies
  6 orc priests
  11 orc wizards
  2 giant frog skeletons
  Jessica (D:3)
  7 iguanas
  7 worker ants
  4 sheep (Lair:4)
  A centaur simulacrum (D:9)
  2 worker ant zombies (D:7)
  7 gnolls
  8 adders
  A hound simulacrum (D:9)
  46 river rats
  2 shadow imps (D:8)
  2 white imps (D:9)
  4 adder skeletons (D:4)
  An adder zombie (D:8)
  2 worms (D:2)
  2 dart slugs
  6 giant geckos
  72 orcs
  5 giant cockroaches
  3 goblins
  7 hobgoblins
  10 jackals
  6 quokkas
  3 ball pythons
  4 bats
  5 giant newts
  2 goblin zombies (D:8)
  5 kobolds
  A quokka skeleton (D:5)
  11 rats
  A briar patch (Swamp:2)
  A plant (Lair:3)
641 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  3 thorn hunters
  2 hydras (Swamp:4)
  An alligator (Swamp:3)
  A swamp dragon (Swamp:4)
  3 slime creatures (Swamp:4)
  A shadow (Swamp:4)
  A spriggan (Swamp:4)
  3 insubstantial wisps (Swamp:3)
  An orc warrior (D:7)
  2 swamp drakes (Swamp:4)
  A wasp (Swamp:4)
  An orc priest (D:7)
  An orc wizard (D:7)
21 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A swamp dragon (Swamp:4)
  An insubstantial wisp (Swamp:4)
  An iguana (D:13)
  3 briar patches (Swamp:2)
  8 fungi
  A plant (Lair:4)
15 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 677 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
-------+----------+-------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1      | Kirg the Gargoyle Berserker began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1      | Reached XP level 1. HP: 14/14 MP: 1/1
   139 | D:1      | Reached XP level 2. HP: 13/19 MP: 2/2
   442 | D:1      | Reached ** piety under Trog
   442 | D:1      | Reached XP level 3. HP: 10/24 MP: 3/3
  1692 | D:3      | Reached XP level 4. HP: 29/29 MP: 4/4
  1764 | D:3      | Found a sacrificial altar of Ru.
  1802 | D:3      | Noticed Jessica
  1817 | D:3      | Killed Jessica
  2017 | D:3      | Reached XP level 5. HP: 33/33 MP: 5/5
  2204 | D:4      | Noticed Menkaure
  2209 | D:4      | Killed Menkaure
  2209 | D:4      | Reached XP level 6. HP: 39/39 MP: 6/6
  2305 | D:4      | Reached *** piety under Trog
  2573 | D:4      | Found a white marble altar of Elyvilon.
  2574 | D:4      | Found a glowing silver altar of Zin.
  2580 | D:4      | Found a stormy altar of Qazlal.
  2580 | D:4      | Found a shattered altar of Ashenzari.
  2580 | D:4      | Found a sparkling altar of Nemelex Xobeh.
  2582 | D:4      | Found a hazy altar of Hepliaklqana.
  2582 | D:4      | Found a deep blue altar of Sif Muna.
  3092 | D:4      | Noticed a phantom
  3128 | D:4      | Killed a phantom
  3198 | D:5      | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  3239 | D:5      | Reached skill level 5 in Fighting
  3239 | D:5      | Reached XP level 7. HP: 44/44 MP: 7/7
  4185 | D:6      | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  4213 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Stealth
  4303 | D:6      | Found a shadowy altar of Dithmenos.
  4500 | D:6      | Identified Sif Muna's Guide on Fire
  4542 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Long Blades
  4672 | D:6      | Reached skill level 5 in Armour
  4797 | D:6      | Reached XP level 8. HP: 49/50 MP: 8/8
  5226 | D:6      | Reached skill level 1 in Evocations
  5721 | D:7      | Noticed Joseph
  5738 | D:7      | Reached XP level 9. HP: 45/56 MP: 10/10
  5758 | D:7      | Killed Joseph
  5767 | D:7      | Reached **** piety under Trog
  6632 | D:8      | Reached XP level 10. HP: 58/63 MP: 13/13
  6779 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Dodging
  6801 | D:8      | Found Cuhoptoudai's Book Shop.
  7013 | D:8      | Reached skill level 5 in Evocations
  7043 | D:8      | Reached ***** piety under Trog
  7632 | D:9      | Found Uvov's Food Boutique.
  7740 | D:9      | Reached skill level 1 in Bows
  7792 | D:9      | Noticed Psyche
  7804 | D:9      | Killed Psyche
  7977 | D:9      | Received a gift from Trog
  8077 | D:9      | Reached XP level 11. HP: 55/69 MP: 15/15
  8456 | D:10     | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  9661 | D:10     | Noticed Fannar
  9673 | D:10     | Killed Fannar
 10161 | D:11     | Noticed a red ugly thing
 10180 | D:11     | Killed a red ugly thing
 10483 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Orcish Mines.
 10837 | D:11     | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 10902 | D:11     | Killed an unseen horror
 11107 | D:11     | Reached XP level 12. HP: 77/77 MP: 5/16
 11494 | D:11     | Received a gift from Trog
 11512 | D:11     | Got a shimmering great sword {god gift}
 11513 | D:11     | Identified the +8 great sword of the Stork {flame, +Rage Str+3 Dex-4} (Trog gifted it to you on level 11 of the Dungeon)
 11671 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Fighting
 11742 | D:12     | Noticed Snorg
 11749 | D:12     | Killed Snorg
 11749 | D:12     | Reached skill level 10 in Long Blades
 11832 | D:12     | Reached skill level 5 in Bows
 12475 | D:13     | Noticed a centaur warrior
 12482 | D:13     | Killed a centaur warrior
 12482 | D:13     | Reached skill level 10 in Armour
 12526 | D:13     | Noticed an ogre mage
 12543 | D:13     | Killed an ogre mage
 12885 | D:13     | Noticed a four-headed hydra
 12954 | D:13     | Reached XP level 13. HP: 73/83 MP: 18/18
 13151 | D:13     | Received a gift from Trog
 13222 | D:13     | Found a gate to the Vaults.
 13291 | D:13     | Found Zoxefuh's Weapon Boutique.
 13550 | Lair:1   | Entered Level 1 of the Lair of Beasts
 13716 | Lair:1   | Received a gift from Trog
 14769 | Lair:2   | Got a heavily runed helmet
 14779 | Lair:2   | Identified the +0 helmet "Roniha" {rElec rC+} (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)
 14782 | Lair:2   | Found a staircase to the Snake Pit.
 15263 | Lair:2   | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
 15272 | Lair:2   | Reached skill level 1 in Crossbows
 15549 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Trog
 15859 | Lair:3   | Reached ****** piety under Trog
 15931 | Lair:3   | Received a gift from Trog
 16581 | Lair:4   | Received a gift from Trog
 16756 | Lair:4   | Gained mutation: Your large and strong wings let you fly indefinitely. [Gargoyle growth]
 16756 | Lair:4   | Reached XP level 14. HP: 90/90 MP: 20/20
 16757 | Lair:4   | Found a staircase to the Swamp.
 17951 | Swamp:1  | Entered Level 1 of the Swamp
 18644 | Swamp:2  | Received a gift from Trog
 18732 | Swamp:2  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 18797 | Swamp:2  | Killed a thorn hunter
 19721 | Swamp:3  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 19731 | Swamp:3  | Killed a thorn hunter
 20037 | Swamp:3  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 20043 | Swamp:3  | Reached skill level 5 in Crossbows
 20046 | Swamp:3  | Killed a thorn hunter
 20313 | Swamp:3  | Reached XP level 15. HP: 96/97 MP: 22/22
 20444 | Swamp:4  | Entered Level 4 of the Swamp
 20506 | Swamp:4  | Noticed a tentacled monstrosity
 20517 | Swamp:4  | Killed a tentacled monstrosity
 21018 | Swamp:4  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 21025 | Swamp:4  | Killed a thorn hunter
 21261 | Swamp:4  | Noticed a thorn hunter
 21268 | Swamp:4  | Killed a thorn hunter
 21296 | Swamp:4  | Reached skill level 10 in Evocations
 21351 | Swamp:4  | Received a gift from Trog
 21818 | Swamp:4  | Got a decaying rune of Zot
« Last Edit: July 31, 2016, 06:35:18 am by Robsoie »
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13805 on: July 31, 2016, 04:23:41 pm »

stupid, stupid, stupid YASD

My character was on the bottom of Snake Pit, basically unstoppable at that point (by naga troops i mean), i had already killed a big bunch of naga on that floor.
Then i recieve a Trog gift, and looking at it, it seemed rather interesting as i had nothing in term of MR since the beginning of the game
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the +3 arbalest "Opies" {venom, +Fly rN++ MR++}Out of the Venom brand being probably not good on naga, i still decided to give it a try to see if it would do more damage than what i had as i had reached 10 in crossbows and  i had so much bolts to spare as Trog already gave me hundred of bolts in lots of gifts.

And to my surprise it did, killed 2 more nagas with it.

Ok that was fun to deal the naga their own poison, but time to go back at my proved buckler (i had very good shield skill at that point) and +4 scimitar of freezing combo that did wonders on that floor at blocking the insane amount of arrows the naga are shooting while i reach corridors to wait for meleeing them.

But it does wonders when you don't FORGET to re-equip the damned shield.

stupid, stupid, stupid YASD
« Last Edit: July 31, 2016, 04:28:51 pm by Robsoie »
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13806 on: July 31, 2016, 06:49:25 pm »

I had the exact same thing happen to me a few days ago, except mine involved Sniper and a Large Shield of Reflection on an endgame character. ;_;
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13807 on: August 01, 2016, 08:17:56 am »

Must hurt, the only consolation i had was that it wasn't yet endgame ready, "only" the 2nd rune.
But damn, i'm sure that guy was really endgame potential.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13808 on: August 01, 2016, 11:29:38 am »

Aaah! Died again because of my recklessness. It seems like I just reject learning how to play DCSS (or more generally, a roguelike)... How many more characters will have to die before I learn not to act desperately and not to panic when I find my character in perplexing circumstances with apparent signs of distress? I just too often forget that DCSS is a damn turn-based game, where no one forces me to do something right now...
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13809 on: August 01, 2016, 12:48:49 pm »

That's the yasd story of the heavy majority of my characters, nearly all of them had to do with me basically acting on urgency as if crawl was real time, completely forgetting it's turn based and so instead of just waiting and browsing my items/ability/spells to use one that could have make the guy survive or at least give it a chance to survive their problem, i just react in reflex.

that and forgetting to re-equip shields when facing waves of ranged units :D

Though not as hilarious as me side-stepping around as if it was going to help me dodge incoming shots, a problem i had after having played a lot of DoomRL at some point.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13810 on: August 01, 2016, 04:32:17 pm »

Aaah! Died again because of my recklessness. It seems like I just reject learning how to play DCSS (or more generally, a roguelike)... How many more characters will have to die before I learn not to act desperately and not to panic when I find my character in perplexing circumstances with apparent signs of distress? I just too often forget that DCSS is a damn turn-based game, where no one forces me to do something right now...
I wouldn't worry about it too much, I floundered around in the first few levels of dungeon for like literally a year before something clicked and my characters started to get further.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13811 on: August 05, 2016, 01:14:42 pm »

I think I'm done with the crawl forums. Too high-strung, too quick to ban when I just use ITALICS. and BOLD. How dare they.

ye gods i'm turning into one of them

BY THE POWER OF ARMOK I SMITE THEE

i'm fine now. losing is fun! the cake is a lie! i am happy again!

I'm not leaving crawl, though. I'll have my liecake and eat it. (I suppose I can get help here?)
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13812 on: August 08, 2016, 10:27:27 pm »

I tried to register for their forums but they require an email and mailinator wasn't receiving the activation email even when I game them alternate email account names.



Also, I ended up with no internet for the last ~6 days, so I played a lot of Crawl. I tried a few different builds:
-Merfolk Skald: I can't quite figure this one out - I'm always too weak in melee to make it past the beginning of Lair even with a Spectral Weapon spear and all buffs active

-Demigod Fighter: Mostly a test for how well I do on a godless run. I died mid-Lair iirc.

-Deep Dwarf Fighter: I got all the way to the Depths with this. I used to have a lot more trouble with not losing HP, but I've learned to limit the number of enemies attacking me at once. In the end, though I got a few too many powerful enemies around me for constant healing potions/staves to save me.

-Demonspawn Fighter: Good for Sprint, and also good for the main game. My 15-rune + 1 zig win with it:

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18.1 (tiles) character file.

12229703 Bafakhec the Demonic Porcupine (level 27, 249/249 HPs)
             Began as a Demonspawn Fighter on Aug 4, 2016.
             Was the Champion of Okawaru.
             Escaped with the Orb
             ... and 15 runes on Aug 5, 2016!
             
             The game lasted 07:11:36 (135800 turns).

Bafakhec the Demonic Porcupine (DsFi)             Turns: 135800, Time: 07:11:37

Health: 249/249    AC: 51    Str: 29    XL:     27
Magic:  54/54      EV: 27    Int: 22    God:    Okawaru [******]
Gold:   17338      SH: 41    Dex: 27    Spells: 17 memorised, 2 levels left

rFire  + + +      SeeInvis +    O - +18 lance {slay drac, +Rage rPois rF+ AC+5}
rCold  + + .      Gourm    .    V - +11 plate armour of Instinct {rF+ rCorr Str+3 Stlth-}
rNeg   + + .      Faith    .    P - +8 large shield {rC+}
rPois  +          Spirit   .    D - +0 hat of Action {MR+ Str+3 Int+4}
rElec  +          Dismiss  .    i - +2 cloak of Daffodils {rF+ Str+3}
rCorr  +          Reflect  .    X - +3 pair of gauntlets of War {Slay+5}
SustAt +          Harm     .    (boots unavailable)
MR     +++++                    s - macabre finger necklace {rN+}
Stlth  ..........               j - ring "Qeodd" {rPois rC+ Int+5 SInv}
                                S - ring "Recsikhlu" {SustAt MR++ Str+2}
                                v - ring "Kenege Hogi" {+Blink rElec Int+2 Dex+4 Slay+2}

@: almost entirely resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: talons 3, large bone plates 3, negative energy resistance 1, powered by death
3, powered by pain 3, 50% torment resistance, black mark
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion, Evoke Blink, Evoke Berserk Rage
0: Orb of Zot
}: 15/15 runes: serpentine, barnacled, slimy, silver, golden, iron, obsidian,
icy, bone, abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery, dark


You escaped.
You worshipped Okawaru.
Okawaru was exalted by your worship.
You were full.

You visited 18 branches of the dungeon, and saw 93 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 8 times, and saw 27 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 6 times.
You visited 1 bazaar.
You visited 2 ziggurats (completing 1), and saw 38 of their levels.
You also visited: Labyrinth and Volcano.

You collected 19528 gold pieces.
You spent 2190 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 O - the +18 lance "Wyrmbane" (weapon) {slay drac, +Rage rPois rF+ AC+5}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your AC (+5).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
   It lets you go berserk.
Armour
 i - the +2 cloak of Daffodils (worn) {rF+ Str+3}
   (You found it on level 11 of a ziggurat)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
 D - the +0 hat of Action (worn) {MR+ Str+3 Int+4}
   (You found it in Pandemonium)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+4).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
 P - a +8 large shield of cold resistance (worn)
 V - the +11 plate armour of Instinct (worn) {rF+ rCorr Str+3 Stlth-}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Depths)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from acid and corrosion.
   It makes you less stealthy.
 X - the +3 pair of gauntlets of War (worn) {Slay+5}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 4 of the Snake Pit)   
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+5).
Jewellery
 j - the ring "Qeodd" (right hand) {rPois rC+ Int+5 SInv}
   (You found it on level 10 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of intelligence]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It protects you from cold.
   It protects you from poison.
   It lets you see invisible.
 s - the macabre finger necklace (around neck) {rN+}
   (You found it on level 16 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of nothing]
   
   It protects you from negative energy.
 v - the ring "Kenege Hogi" (on amulet) {+Blink rElec Int+2 Dex+4 Slay+2}
   (You took it off a minotaur in a labyrinth)   
   
   [ring of dexterity]
   
   It affects your intelligence (+2).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+2).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It lets you blink.
 K - the amulet of Cekugob {Dismiss -Tele rElec rPois rN++ AC+1 EV+1}
   (You found it on level 7 of Tartarus)   
   
   [amulet of dismissal]
   
   It may teleport away creatures that harm you.
   It affects your AC (+1).
   It affects your evasion (+1).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It prevents most forms of teleportation.
 S - the ring "Recsikhlu" (left hand) {SustAt MR++ Str+2}
   (You found it on level 13 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of sustain attributes]
   
   It sustains your strength, intelligence and dexterity.
   It affects your strength (+2).
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
Wands
 a - a wand of heal wounds (5/9)
 q - a wand of disintegration (13/24)
 y - a wand of digging (9/24)
 C - a wand of heal wounds (6/9)
 I - a wand of disintegration (15/24)
 U - a wand of teleportation (9/9)
Scrolls
 b - 23 scrolls of fog
 c - 48 scrolls of teleportation
 e - 7 scrolls of vulnerability
 l - 38 scrolls of remove curse
 w - 12 scrolls of silence
 J - 8 scrolls of magic mapping
 L - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 M - 5 scrolls of recharging
 Q - 15 scrolls of fear
 R - 7 scrolls of identify
 W - 13 scrolls of blinking
 Z - 2 scrolls of brand weapon
Potions
 d - 15 potions of haste
 h - 2 potions of resistance
 n - 14 potions of invisibility
 r - 11 potions of flight
 u - 16 potions of brilliance
 x - 11 potions of berserk rage
 z - 28 potions of curing
 A - 4 potions of might
 B - 10 potions of cure mutation
 E - 8 potions of cancellation
 G - 19 potions of lignification
 H - 11 potions of agility
 N - a potion of heal wounds
 T - 12 potions of ambrosia
 Y - 3 potions of magic
Miscellaneous
 o - 11 phantom mirrors
 p - a disc of storms
 F - a figurine of a ziggurat
Comestibles
 f - 52 bread rations
 g - 7 slices of pizza
 k - 28 beef jerkies
 m - 12 meat rations
 t - 6 royal jellies


   Skills:
 O Level 27 Fighting
   Level 14.1 Long Blades
   Level 2.2(18.8) Axes
 O Level 27 Polearms
   Level 3.1 Slings
 O Level 27 Armour
 - Level 18.7 Dodging
 O Level 27 Shields
 O Level 27 Spellcasting
 - Level 13.1 Hexes
 - Level 12.7 Charms
 - Level 0.4 Summonings
 O Level 27 Necromancy
 - Level 8.3 Translocations
 * Level 15.6 Transmutations
 - Level 0.1 Earth Magic
 - Level 14.0 Invocations
 * Level 22.4 Evocations


You had 2 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #######...   0%          3    None
b - Dispel Undead         Necr           #######.     0%          5    None
c - Death's Door          Chrm/Necr      #######...   10%         8    #####..
d - Necromutation         Trmt/Necr      #######...   6%          8    #####..
e - Spectral Weapon       Hex/Chrm       ######..     1%          3    None
f - Aura of Abjuration    Summ           ####......   75%         5    None
g - Animate Dead          Necr           N/A          0%          4    None
h - Death Channel         Necr           #######...   1%          6    None
i - Simulacrum            Ice/Necr       ######....   1%          6    None
j - Silence               Hex/Air        ######....   8%          5    None
k - Passwall              Trmt/Erth      ######....   1%          2    None
l - Apportation           Tloc           ######....   1%          1    None
m - Repel Missiles        Chrm/Air       ######       1%          2    None
n - Control Undead        Necr           #######...   0%          4    None
o - Deflect Missiles      Chrm/Air       ######....   34%         6    None
p - Haste                 Chrm           ######..     2%          6    None
q - Airstrike             Air            ####......   34%         4    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:6            Lair (8/8) D:9
 Shoals (4/4) Lair:3        Snake (4/4) Lair:5        Slime (6/6) Lair:7
    Orc (2/2) D:10            Elf (3/3) Orc:2        Vaults (5/5) D:13
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
   Hell (1/1)                 Dis (7/7) Hell            Geh (7/7) Hell
    Coc (7/7) Hell            Tar (7/7) Hell            Zot (5/5) Depths:5

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Pakellas
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Beogh
Jiyva

Shops:
Orc:2 [[(*   Elf:2 }   Shoals:2 *   Shoals:4 =   Snake:1 =

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:2 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:3 Depths:4

Annotations:
Depths:3 1 runed door


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have claws for feet.
You are completely covered in large bone plates (AC +4, SH +4).
You resist negative energy.
You regenerate a lot of health from kills.
You are powered by pain.
You are somewhat able to resist unholy torments (1 in 2 success).
Your melee attacks may debilitate your foes.


Message History

You reach to attack! You puncture the cherub!
The cherub is almost dead.
Attack whom?
Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor, f/p - cherub
Aim: a cherub, wielding a greatsling, wearing a robe and wearing a buckler (almost dead, haloed)
You reach to attack! You impale the cherub!!
You kill the cherub!
Okawaru accepts your kill.
No target in view!
No target in view!
No target in view!
No target in view!
No target in view!
No target in view!
No target in view!
Items here: ( )) [[
a greatsling; an uncursed flail of flaming; 14 stones; a robe; a buckler
There isn't anything to butcher here.
There is a staircase leading out of the dungeon here.
You have escaped!

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There were no monsters in sight!

Vanquished Creatures
7288 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
203 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
1019 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 8510 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place    | Note
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     0 | D:1      | Bafakhec the Demonspawn Fighter began the quest for the Orb.

-snip-
135800 | D:$      | Esca
ped with the Orb!
             

Skill      XL: |  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 |
---------------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+-----
Long Blades    |  2  3  4     6  7  8 10 12 14                                                    | 14.1
Fighting       |                             6 11 15 16                                        27 | 27.0
Armour         |                                      8 13 16 18 20                            27 | 27.0
Shields        |                                                  7 13 16 19 21 23 25          27 | 27.0
Invocations    |                                                              2  5  8 14          | 14.0
Dodging        |                                                                      10 16 18    | 18.7
Polearms       |                                                                             8 27 | 27.0
Spellcasting   |                                                                               27 | 27.0
Necromancy     |                                                                               27 | 27.0
Slings         |                                                                                3 |  3.1
Transmutations |                                                                               15 | 15.6
Axes           |                                                                                2 |  2.2
Charms         |                                                                               12 | 12.7
Hexes          |                                                                               13 | 13.1
Evocations     |                                                                               22 | 22.4
Translocations |                                                                                8 |  8.3
Summonings     |                                                                                  |  0.4
Earth Magic    |                                                                                  |  0.1

Action                   |  1- 3 |  4- 6 |  7- 9 | 10-12 | 13-15 | 16-18 | 19-21 | 22-24 | 25-27 || total
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Melee: Long sword        |   153 |   201 |   483 |   476 |       |       |       |       |       ||  1313
       Kick              |    34 |    47 |   159 |   319 |   752 |   759 |  1086 |  1002 | 12069 || 16227
       Scimitar          |       |       |       |   513 |   959 |   109 |     5 |       |       ||  1586
       Katana            |       |       |       |       |   467 |  1207 |  1890 |  1648 |  1779 ||  6991
       Lance             |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       | 22388 || 22388
 Cast: Animate Dead      |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    64 ||    64
       Spectral Weapon   |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    39 ||    39
       Death Channel     |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    35 ||    35
       Apportation       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    17 ||    17
       Control Undead    |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |    17 ||    17
       Dispel Undead     |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     4 ||     4
       Regeneration      |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
       Repel Missiles    |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
       Necromutation     |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
       Silence           |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Invok: Heroism           |       |       |       |     1 |     2 |     9 |     6 |     9 |    29 ||    56
       Finesse           |       |       |       |       |       |     4 |     2 |     4 |    43 ||    53
 Abil: End Transformatio |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Evoke: Wand              |       |       |       |     3 |     1 |     4 |     2 |       |   122 ||   132
       Staff of Dispater |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
       Figurine of a zig |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Use: Scroll            |     2 |     6 |    12 |    16 |    21 |     7 |    18 |    20 |   123 ||   225
       Potion            |       |     1 |     5 |     1 |     4 |    11 |     4 |     4 |    83 ||   113
 Stab: Invisible         |       |       |     8 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||     8
       Petrified         |       |       |       |       |     3 |       |       |       |     4 ||     7
       Held in net/web   |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 |       |       ||     2
       Distracted        |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |       |    95 ||    96
       Paralysed         |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     3 ||     3
       Petrifying        |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     2 ||     2
       Confused          |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
       Fleeing           |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
  Eat: Chunk             |     2 |     5 |    16 |    24 |    66 |    14 |    38 |    26 |    92 ||   283
       Pizza             |       |       |       |     3 |       |       |       |       |    13 ||    16
       Meat ration       |       |       |       |     2 |       |     1 |       |       |    29 ||    32
       Fruit             |       |       |       |     3 |       |     1 |       |       |    51 ||    55
       Beef jerky        |       |       |       |     2 |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     3
       Royal jelly       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 |     2 ||     3
Armor: Scale mail        |    67 |    89 |     7 |       |       |       |       |       |       ||   163
       Chain mail        |       |       |   226 |    29 |       |       |       |       |       ||   255
       Plate armour      |       |       |       |   399 |       |       |       |   322 |  4151 ||  4872
       Crystal plate arm |       |       |       |    41 |   866 |   554 |   695 |    25 |       ||  2181
Dodge: Dodged            |    45 |    39 |    91 |    39 |    44 |    68 |   160 |   206 |  6097 ||  6789
       Deflected         |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     1 ||     1
Block: Shield            |    74 |   114 |   319 |   157 |       |       |       |       |       ||   664
       Large shield      |       |       |       |   514 |  1291 |  1372 |  2359 |  1927 | 23190 || 30653
       Reflection        |       |       |       |       |       |   191 |   150 |   175 |   147 ||   663
       Other             |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |       |     9 ||     9



I got really lucky, through. An overview of my game:
-Found Autumn Katana in the early Dungeon; however, it didn't become my endgame weapon
-Got gifted Wyrmbane (!) on Lair:6. Once I had my basic skills trained up, I switched over to Polearms just to use it - except for a few extremely unlikely randarts, it's the best weapon in the game
-Until the Zig at the end, I had lots of extra healing potions because of the heal-on-kill mutation.
-I tried to switch to TSO before Tomb, but demonspawns are evil :P. So I stayed with Oka.
-Near the end of Pan, I had all the melee skills where I wanted them, so I branched out into Necromancy. As it turns out, raising zombies and creating ghosts out of enemies clear some of the denser zig levels extremely well. Control Undead also helped cause some chaos on Tomb/undead-themed levels, but not quite enough - I had to skip one or two of them in the later Zig to avoid an annoying death. The constant flaying + smite-targeted damage was too much to deal with.
-I tried to Apport the Orb of Zot across Zot:5. I realized that this no longer skips one floor of the orb run when I had to kill a Pan lord.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13813 on: August 08, 2016, 11:31:13 pm »

DsFi is god. Especially since you got two of the best mutation paths[Torment Resistance & Regen]. I would have gotten Borgnjor's instead of Necromutation, since you're already quite robust against Torment, but otherwise it looks solid. I'd also have switched gods, probably to Kiku[More torment resist + undead minions] or Ash[Divination + Clar]. Still, congrats on finishing a ziggurat~! I rarely play enough to get a char capable of clearing one and when I do, I always chicken out before trying for one.
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Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« Reply #13814 on: August 09, 2016, 10:15:08 am »

DsFi is god. Especially since you got two of the best mutation paths[Torment Resistance & Regen]. I would have gotten Borgnjor's instead of Necromutation, since you're already quite robust against Torment, but otherwise it looks solid. I'd also have switched gods, probably to Kiku[More torment resist + undead minions] or Ash[Divination + Clar]. Still, congrats on finishing a ziggurat~! I rarely play enough to get a char capable of clearing one and when I do, I always chicken out before trying for one.

I stayed away from Borgnjor's because of the permanent HP drain, but I might take a look at it sometime. I'll also keep the advice about which god to switch to in mind - at the time, I had no idea what to pick.
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