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[Damiac]

I believe the spell you're referring to is fulminant prism.  It summons a little... prism thingy, then 2 or 3 turns later it explodes in a 5x5 kaboom.  If it's destroyed earlier it has a weaker explosion, with no explosion at all if destroyed early enough.

Not a good spell to find on a ghost, but you can get them to blow themselves and any number of other things up with it.  So it's kind of a mixed blessing sometimes.

[Graven]

What got nerfed about it?

I might be talking out of my ass, since I can't be bothered to re-check, but y'all should be used by now

- Demonspawn mutation Powered by Death got hit specifically to make multi-zigging a bit more difficult
- High-level books don't spawn in the earlier levels, making it harder to find Statueform
- Spawn rates are constantly adjusted and filler enemies are removed; also each branch has dangerous fast/elemental enemies making a chei follower without statueform a lot harder to get going
- Monk starting class got hit and the starting melee skill is lower.

Don't get me wrong, DsMo^Chei was by no means over-nerfed, but it's harder than it was, and the game has gotten harder due to the devs removing "filler" enemies and shortening branches.

In other news, second rune Tomb, with Cekugob (-tele) for rN, because what are the mummies gonna do about it? Will post a char dump after I get Vaults and a Zig down.

[LASD]

I believe the spell you're referring to is fulminant prism.  It summons a little... prism thingy, then 2 or 3 turns later it explodes in a 5x5 kaboom.  If it's destroyed earlier it has a weaker explosion, with no explosion at all if destroyed early enough.

Not a good spell to find on a ghost, but you can get them to blow themselves and any number of other things up with it.  So it's kind of a mixed blessing sometimes.

Okay yeah, that must be it. Had no idea how to react at the time. Now I'll be smarter about it. Was wondering if people are trying to optimize best character killer ghosts for tournament points.

[Graven]

Zig dided - game seems rather determined to not give me resists on items that don't get absorbed by my chiseled stone abs, so I need to either wear an amulet of rage to bring me to rF++ rC++ rN++ and forfeit my sweet amulet of Regen/Slaying, or swap my ring of Robustness for that rF++ rC- one. I've also forgotten a bunch of stuff exists (rMut, Clarity, Stasis, etc) and I was like "why do I have so few potions of cure mutation I am so borked".

Nevertheless, behold:

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18-a0-128-g78ce890 (tiles) character file.

Gravenous the Metallomancer (Demonspawn Monk)      Turns: 50627, Time: 02:22:29

Health: 219/219    AC: 18    Str: 32    XL:     27
Magic:  43/43      EV: 36    Int: 46    God:    Cheibriados [******]
Gold:   7872       SH: 22    Dex: 29    Spells: 6 memorised, 22 levels left

rFire  + . .     SeeInvis +       - Unarmed
rCold  + + .     Clarity  .     L - +1 troll leather armour
rNeg   . . .     SustAt   .     P - +5 shield {rC+}
rPois  +         Gourm    .     w - +0 hat of the Bulwark {Str+3 Int+6} (curse)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     a - +1 cloak of Resilience {+Inv rPois rF+ MR+}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   .         Stasis   .     S - +2 pair of boots {Stlth+}
MR     +++..                    C - amulet "Noutuoh" {Regen+ Slay+5 SInv}
Stlth  ++++......               g - ring "Ofreulaq" {Wiz Int+3 SInv}
                                n - ring of Robustness {AC+8}

@: very slightly contaminated, studying 3 skills, repel missiles, very slow,
extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, stealthy
A: claws 3, repulsion field 3, see invisible, clumsy 1, cold resistance 1,
passive freeze, powered by death 3, spiny 3, freezing cloud immunity
a: Bend Time, Temporal Distortion, Slouch, Step From Time, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility
}: 4/15 runes: slimy, silver, golden, abyssal


You are on level 1 of the Depths.
You worship Cheibriados.
Cheibriados is exalted by your worship.
You are not hungry.

You have visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and seen 58 of its levels.
You have visited the Abyss 1 time.
You have completed 1 ziggurat, and seen 27 of its levels.

You have collected 10699 gold pieces.
You have spent 2827 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Armour
 a - the +1 cloak of Resilience (worn) {+Inv rPois rF+ MR+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 w - the cursed +0 hat of the Bulwark (worn) {Str+3 Int+6}
   (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+6).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 L - a +1 troll leather armour (worn)
 N - the +4 dragonskin cloak
   (You took it off Tiamat on level 4 of the Realm of Zot)
 P - a +5 shield of cold resistance (worn)
 S - a +2 pair of boots of stealth (worn)
Magical Staves
 I - an uncursed staff of energy
Jewellery
 f - the amulet of Cekugob {Ward -Tele rElec rPois rN++ AC+1 EV+1}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
   It affects your AC (+1).
   It affects your evasion (+1).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It prevents most forms of teleportation.
 g - the ring "Ofreulaq" (right claw) {Wiz Int+3 SInv}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   
   It improves your spell success rate.
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It lets you see invisible.
 h - the amulet "Jealuav" {rMut Dex+2}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of resist mutation]
   
   It protects you from mutation.
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
 n - the ring of Robustness (left claw) {AC+8}
   (You found it on level 23 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   
   It affects your AC (+8).
 o - an uncursed ring of see invisible
 C - the amulet "Noutuoh" (around neck) {Regen+ Slay+5 SInv}
   (You found it on level 10 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of regeneration]
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+5).
   It lets you see invisible.
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 K - the ring of Ostrepiwk {rF++ rC- Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 25 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of dexterity]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
 X - the amulet of Satyriasis {+Rage rF+ rN++ MR+ Dex-4}
   (You found it on level 18 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of rage]
   
   It affects your dexterity (-4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you go berserk.
Wands
 y - a wand of teleportation (2)
 A - a wand of disintegration (5)
 H - a wand of teleportation (6)
 R - a wand of heal wounds (2)
 T - a wand of heal wounds (3)
 U - a wand of heal wounds (2)
 W - a wand of teleportation (5)
Scrolls
 c - 19 scrolls of identify
 d - 10 scrolls of immolation
 e - 37 scrolls of remove curse
 i - 45 scrolls of teleportation
 l - 15 scrolls of recharging
 p - 3 scrolls of fear
 s - 19 scrolls of fog
 t - 7 scrolls of silence
 x - 12 scrolls of magic mapping
 F - 20 scrolls of blinking
 Q - 10 scrolls of enchant armour
Potions
 k - 11 potions of heal wounds
 m - 22 potions of curing
 q - 4 potions of invisibility
 u - 8 potions of flight
 z - a potion of resistance
 B - 2 potions of might
 D - 4 potions of brilliance
 M - 6 potions of cancellation
 O - 3 potions of cure mutation
Books
 v - a manual of Dodging
 E - a manual of Shields
 V - a manual of Armour
 Y - a book of Annihilations   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Poison Arrow                 Conjuration/Poison            6
    b - Chain Lightning              Conjuration/Air               8
    c - Lehudib's Crystal Spear      Conjuration/Earth             8
    d - Glaciate                     Conjuration/Ice               9
    e - Fire Storm                   Conjuration/Fire              9
Miscellaneous
 Z - a crystal ball of energy
Comestibles
 b - 26 bread rations
 j - 8 beef jerkies
 r - 10 meat rations
 G - 11 royal jellies
 J - 42 fruits


   Skills:
 + Level 18.6 Fighting
 + Level 16.0 Dodging
 - Level 3.5 Stealth
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 * Level 20.5 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 16.5 Spellcasting
 - Level 19.0 Translocations
 - Level 14.3 Transmutations
 - Level 24.1 Air Magic
 - Level 25.5 Earth Magic
 - Level 15.3 Invocations
 + Level 21.1 Evocations


You have 22 spell levels left.
You know the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Statue Form           Trmt/Erth      ########.    1%          6    None
b - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          1%          8    ###....
c - Shatter               Erth           ########..   1%          9    #####..
d - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #####.....   1%          3    None
e - Tornado               Air            ########..   1%          9    #####..
f - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      ########     0%          2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (8/8) D:10
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:5        Snake (0/4) Lair:3        Slime (6/6) Lair:7
    Orc (4/4) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:3        Vaults (5/5) D:14
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
    Zot (5/5) Depths:5   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva
Lugonu

Shops:
D:9 !   Orc:1 *   Orc:2 }   Orc:4 }(}[   Vaults:5 :   Depths:1 *

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:3 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:2 Depths:3

Annotations:
Depths:4 exclusion: obsidian statue


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have claws for hands.
You are surrounded by a strong repulsion field (EV +4, rMsl).
Your flesh is cold resistant.
A frigid envelope surrounds you and freezes all who hurt you.
You regenerate a lot of health from kills.
You are completely covered in sharp spines.
You are immune to freezing clouds.
You have supernaturally acute eyesight.
You are clumsy. (Dex -2)
edit: Hah, I died in the second Zig - I had to flee a Holy/Demonspawn level, then a Demonic level, and the final one was Orcs, Giants and Moths of Wrath and I guess I played with my ass since I got smited to death while berserking?

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.18-a0-128-g78ce890 (tiles) character file.

1166075 Gravenous the Sensei (level 27, -3/233 HPs)
             Began as a Demonspawn Monk on Nov 15, 2016.
             Was the Champion of Cheibriados.
             Killed by divine providence
             ... invoked by an orc high priest
              (14 damage)
             ... on level 15 of a ziggurat on Nov 16, 2016.
             The game lasted 02:43:13 (54732 turns).

Gravenous the Sensei (Demonspawn Monk)             Turns: 54732, Time: 02:43:13

Health: -3/233     AC: 10    Str: 32    XL:     27
Magic:  8/43       EV: 41    Int: 46    God:    Cheibriados [******]
Gold:   8749       SH: 22    Dex: 36    Spells: 6 memorised, 22 levels left

rFire  + + +     SeeInvis +     I - staff of energy
rCold  + . .     Clarity  .     L - +1 troll leather armour
rNeg   . . .     SustAt   .     P - +5 shield {rC+}
rPois  +         Gourm    .     w - +0 hat of the Bulwark {Str+3 Int+6} (curse)
rElec  .         Spirit   .     a - +1 cloak of Resilience {+Inv rPois rF+ MR+}
rCorr  .         Warding  .     (gloves unavailable)
rMut   +         Stasis   .     S - +2 pair of boots {Stlth+}
MR     +++..                    h - amulet "Jealuav" {rMut Dex+2}
Stlth  +++++.....               g - ring "Ofreulaq" {Wiz Int+3 SInv}
                                K - ring of Ostrepiwk {rF++ rC- Dex+3}

@: exhausted, very slightly contaminated, slowed, studying Shields, repel
missiles, very slow, extremely resistant to hostile enchantments, quite stealthy
A: claws 3, repulsion field 3, cold resistance 1, passive freeze, powered by
death 3, spiny 3, freezing cloud immunity
a: Bend Time, Temporal Distortion, Slouch, Step From Time, Renounce Religion,
Evoke Invisibility
}: 9/15 runes: slimy, silver, golden, abyssal, demonic, glowing, magical, fiery,
dark


You were on level 15 of a ziggurat.
You worshipped Cheibriados.
Cheibriados was exalted by your worship.
You were very full.

You visited 11 branches of the dungeon, and saw 58 of its levels.
You visited Pandemonium 1 time, and saw 23 of its levels.
You visited the Abyss 1 time.
You visited 2 ziggurats (completing 1), and saw 42 of their levels.

You collected 11576 gold pieces.
You spent 2827 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Armour
 a - the +1 cloak of Resilience (worn) {+Inv rPois rF+ MR+}
   (You bought it in a shop on level 4 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It protects you from fire.
   It protects you from poison.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you turn invisible.
 w - the cursed +0 hat of the Bulwark (worn) {Str+3 Int+6}
   (You found it on level 27 of a ziggurat)   
   
   It affects your strength (+3).
   It affects your intelligence (+6).
   It has a curse placed upon it.
 L - a +1 troll leather armour (worn)
 N - the +4 dragonskin cloak
   (You took it off Tiamat on level 4 of the Realm of Zot)
 P - a +5 shield of cold resistance (worn)
 S - a +2 pair of boots of stealth (worn)
Magical Staves
 I - an uncursed staff of energy (weapon)
Jewellery
 f - the amulet of Cekugob {Ward -Tele rElec rPois rN++ AC+1 EV+1}
   (You found it on level 7 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   [amulet of warding]
   
   It may prevent the melee attacks of summoned creatures.
   It affects your AC (+1).
   It affects your evasion (+1).
   It insulates you from electricity.
   It protects you from poison.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It prevents most forms of teleportation.
 g - the ring "Ofreulaq" (right claw) {Wiz Int+3 SInv}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [ring of wizardry]
   
   It improves your spell success rate.
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It lets you see invisible.
 h - the amulet "Jealuav" (around neck) {rMut Dex+2}
   (You found it on level 3 of the Elven Halls)   
   
   [amulet of resist mutation]
   
   It protects you from mutation.
   It affects your dexterity (+2).
 n - the ring of Robustness {AC+8}
   (You found it on level 23 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of protection]
   
   It affects your AC (+8).
 C - the amulet "Noutuoh" {Regen+ Slay+5 SInv}
   (You found it on level 10 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of regeneration]
   
   It affects your accuracy and damage with ranged weapons and melee attacks
   (+5).
   It lets you see invisible.
   It increases your rate of regeneration.
 K - the ring of Ostrepiwk (left claw) {rF++ rC- Dex+3}
   (You found it on level 25 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [ring of dexterity]
   
   It affects your dexterity (+3).
   It greatly protects you from fire.
   It makes you vulnerable to cold.
 X - the amulet of Satyriasis {+Rage rF+ rN++ MR+ Dex-4}
   (You found it on level 18 of a ziggurat)   
   
   [amulet of rage]
   
   It affects your dexterity (-4).
   It protects you from fire.
   It greatly protects you from negative energy.
   It affects your resistance to hostile enchantments.
   It lets you go berserk.
Wands
 y - a wand of teleportation (9)
 A - a wand of disintegration (24)
 H - a wand of teleportation (9)
 R - a wand of heal wounds (9)
 T - a wand of heal wounds (9)
 U - a wand of heal wounds (9)
 W - a wand of teleportation (9)
Scrolls
 c - 23 scrolls of identify
 d - 11 scrolls of immolation
 e - 41 scrolls of remove curse
 i - 45 scrolls of teleportation
 l - 6 scrolls of recharging
 o - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 p - 4 scrolls of fear
 s - 22 scrolls of fog
 t - 9 scrolls of silence
 x - 14 scrolls of magic mapping
 F - 16 scrolls of blinking
 Q - 15 scrolls of enchant armour
Potions
 k - 10 potions of heal wounds
 m - 25 potions of curing
 q - 4 potions of invisibility
 u - 8 potions of flight
 z - a potion of resistance
 B - a potion of might
 D - 4 potions of brilliance
 M - 6 potions of cancellation
 O - 4 potions of cure mutation
Books
 E - a manual of Shields
 Y - a book of Annihilations   
   
    Spells                             Type                      Level
    a - Poison Arrow                 Conjuration/Poison            6
    b - Chain Lightning              Conjuration/Air               8
    c - Lehudib's Crystal Spear      Conjuration/Earth             8
    d - Glaciate                     Conjuration/Ice               9
    e - Fire Storm                   Conjuration/Fire              9
Miscellaneous
 Z - a crystal ball of energy
Comestibles
 b - 22 bread rations
 j - 9 beef jerkies
 r - 11 meat rations
 G - 14 royal jellies
 J - 45 fruits
 V - 4 slices of pizza


   Skills:
 + Level 22.4 Fighting
 + Level 20.7 Dodging
 - Level 3.5 Stealth
 - Level 15.0 Shields
 * Level 25.8 Unarmed Combat
 - Level 16.5 Spellcasting
 - Level 19.0 Translocations
 - Level 14.3 Transmutations
 - Level 24.1 Air Magic
 - Level 25.5 Earth Magic
 - Level 15.3 Invocations
 - Level 21.5 Evocations


You had 22 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power        Failure   Level  Hunger
a - Statue Form           Trmt/Erth      ########.    1%          6    None
b - Controlled Blink      Tloc           N/A          1%          8    None
c - Shatter               Erth           ########..   1%          9    None
d - Regeneration          Chrm/Necr      #####.....   1%          3    None
e - Tornado               Air            ########..   1%          9    None
f - Stoneskin             Trmt/Erth      ########     0%          2    None


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/15)            Temple (1/1) D:4            Lair (8/8) D:10
 Shoals (0/4) Lair:5        Snake (0/4) Lair:3        Slime (6/6) Lair:7
    Orc (4/4) D:11            Elf (3/3) Orc:3        Vaults (5/5) D:14
  Crypt (3/3) Vaults:2       Tomb (3/3) Crypt:3      Depths (5/5) D:15
    Zot (5/5) Depths:5   

Altars:
Ashenzari
Cheibriados
Dithmenos
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Gozag
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Qazlal
Ru
Sif Muna
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin
The Shining One
Jiyva
Lugonu

Shops:
D:9 !   Orc:1 *   Orc:2 }   Orc:4 }(}[   Vaults:5 :   Depths:1 *

Portals:
Hell: Depths:1 Depths:2 Depths:3 Depths:4 Depths:5
Abyss: Depths:3 Depths:4
Pandemonium: Depths:2 Depths:3

Annotations:
Depths:4 exclusion: obsidian statue


Innate Abilities, Weirdness & Mutations

You have claws for hands.
You are surrounded by a strong repulsion field (EV +4, rMsl).
Your flesh is cold resistant.
A frigid envelope surrounds you and freezes all who hurt you.
You regenerate a lot of health from kills.
You are completely covered in sharp spines.
You are immune to freezing clouds.


Message History

You channel some magical energy. You feel slightly less full.
You revert to your normal fleshy form.
Your +2 pair of boots of stealth unmelds from your body.
Your +1 troll leather armour unmelds from your body.
You feel stealthy. The orc warlord is no longer berserk. The stone giant completely misses you.
The orc warlord roars a battlecry!
The orcs go into a battle-frenzy!
You block the orc warlord's attack. The stone giant barely misses you. The iron troll bites you!!! The iron troll resists. The iron troll is very cold.
The iron troll is almost dead.
The iron troll barely misses you. You block the iron troll's attack. The iron troll bites you!!!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The iron troll resists. The iron troll is very cold.
The iron troll is moderately wounded.
The iron troll claws you!!
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The iron troll completely resists. The iron troll closely misses you.
The stone giant rages.
The orc high priest calls down the wrath of Beogh upon you.
Something smites you!
You die...
I find myself increasingly prefering heavily geared, obscenely powerful characters to weaker characters which require actual good play to even get a rune. I suspect this means it's time to lay off Crawl for a while and go play an actual hack'n'slash.

[Ozarck]

What got nerfed about it?

I might be talking out of my ass, since I can't be bothered to re-check, but y'all should be used by now

- Demonspawn mutation Powered by Death got hit specifically to make multi-zigging a bit more difficult
- High-level books don't spawn in the earlier levels, making it harder to find Statueform
- Spawn rates are constantly adjusted and filler enemies are removed; also each branch has dangerous fast/elemental enemies making a chei follower without statueform a lot harder to get going
- Monk starting class got hit and the starting melee skill is lower.

Don't get me wrong, DsMo^Chei was by no means over-nerfed, but it's harder than it was, and the game has gotten harder due to the devs removing "filler" enemies and shortening branches.

In other news, second rune Tomb, with Cekugob (-tele) for rN, because what are the mummies gonna do about it? Will post a char dump after I get Vaults and a Zig down.

The more difficult they make it, the narrower their target audience. It's barely playable for me in 0.17 as it is.

[Robsoie]

I guess the target audience is the existing DCSS experts by now, explaining some of the changes toward making the game much harder in every branches.

My problem with new Crawl versions, they bring very cool new features i appreciate, but in the same version they bring things, that for my taste, are frankly bad and ultimately always lead me to simply stop playing for months until i try a new version a few months later and repeat the same process again.

Fortunately for me DCSS isn't the only RL i play and enjoyed so if the game direction goes toward  something i don't like, it's not that much of a problem, and i can still try to play an older version from before some of the stuff that started to repel me.

[Retropunch]

My problem is that it seems to be that they've taken away a lot of the 'quirkier' play options. There seems to be this overpowering need to balance absolutely everything, and it's just not needed in a single-player RL. I know there's the tourny and whatever, but it's getting to the point that all classes/races are getting to be a bit too similar.

I know it's a common complaint, and it's not that it's anything new - but I've been feeling it more and more in recent updates.

[Damiac]

I also feel the development conversation space is totally dominated by a few influential people, and they manage to enforce their viewpoint pretty well, to the point of derailing threads talking about stuff that deviates from that viewpoint.  Those few allowable opinions (stated as facts, naturally) bounce around the echo chamber enough to convince people that they must be true.

[Robsoie]

Discovered recently that someone coding-capable had been taking on himself to fork DCSS and re-implement the removed features he liked.
That's interesting to test if you miss a removed feature but like some of the ones the devs added in the same time.
"DCSS Extra Hearthy Edition"
https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe

But unfortunately as it often happens to forks, the project is probably abandonned , not having seen updates in 3 years.

That said, i was curious and looked around if there were more fork of DCSS that i never heard about , and there was :
DCSS Circus Animal Variation
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19227
https://github.com/jeremygurr/dcssca
Seems more updated as the last one was "only" 4 months ago

Hellcrawl
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=21527
https://github.com/Hellmonk/hellcrawl
last updated 2 months ago

There's too the one i talked about somewhere in that thread, Crawl Light
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=5602
https://github.com/dtsund/crawl-light
that seems as abandonned as the "hearty" fork as the last update was 3 years ago

[Damiac]

I believe hellcrawl is being actively developed, however while it does add some nice things (Damage numbers shown!  No more food! YAY!) its main purpose is paring down the dungeon, making less XP available and generally making the game harder.

Circus animals fork was kinda similar, but less wide in scope I believe.  It did have some weird mechanics intended to stop luring and stairdancing as well.

Crawl light has light in its name, so its obviously for filthy casuals

[Aoi]

So something I've wondered about for a while and I'm wondering if I've got right--

According to the wiki, trolls do unarmed damage of 9, plus their innate Claws 3 mutation, which means they should be doing 15(+UC+regular modifiers). Blade Hands does 8+(STR+DEX)/3, which means that you need a minimum of 21 str+dex to break even, right? Or does that 9 damage for being a troll include Claws 3? On top of that, you've got the offhand which'll do +2d3 vs +6 (a flat improvement, in this case.)

Alternatively, you've got Beastly Appendage, which you can ~6 damage out of on average, plus the chance of a stun, or 9 damage from talons.

[Arcvasti]

I'm guessing that the troll UC includes Claws 3. Plus, I cast aspersions on those Bland Hands damage formulas. Str/Dex weighting was removed a version or two ago.

[Damiac]

So something I've wondered about for a while and I'm wondering if I've got right--

According to the wiki, trolls do unarmed damage of 9, plus their innate Claws 3 mutation, which means they should be doing 15(+UC+regular modifiers). Blade Hands does 8+(STR+DEX)/3, which means that you need a minimum of 21 str+dex to break even, right? Or does that 9 damage for being a troll include Claws 3? On top of that, you've got the offhand which'll do +2d3 vs +6 (a flat improvement, in this case.)

Alternatively, you've got Beastly Appendage, which you can ~6 damage out of on average, plus the chance of a stun, or 9 damage from talons.

The headbutt stun has been gone for a while, I know that.
I could have sword I'd seen fairly knowledgable people say that blade hands outdamages claws 3, but then, how often do you really get to try them side by side?

I do question whether blade hands has any damage contribution from dex anymore, I thought all that was gone, even from the weird UC formulas.

[Aoi]

I've been messing about with troll transmuters; they're pretty easy to get up to blade hands, and, while I can get my stats high enough to cast statueform, I haven't found a spellbook for it yet. -_-

Their stats seem pretty good for it too; unless I'm mistaken, statueform benefits from UC and dodging, both reasonable things for trolls to be training. Chei will take care of the low int problems, low spellcasting is fine since trolls and hunger isn't really a thing, there's a healthy HP pool and even if you're out of MP, you'll still have high combat potential.

In this case, bladehands is more just a case of 'Do I bother casting this, or just go barehanded?' Having said that, even if there's a slight increase in damage, I'm not sure it's worth the trade off of spell casting penalty and tactical detriment of inability to use wands.

[Dozebôm Lolumzalìs]

Ahaha, my DEFE got SF online by D:3. Also on D:3 was the watery dart slug downstairs "ambush", which resulted in a maniacal rampage and steam EVERYWHERE. Then Robin and her gang came around, and I did it again, except this time with flame clouds. FUCKING AWESOME. (I listened to My Songs Know What You Did in the Dark (Light 'Em Up), one of the shorter-named songs by Fall Out Boy, as I killed everybody. I'm on fiiiiiire!)