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[Bingbing]

Cool! Elves who actually don't suck!

[Earthquake Damage]

Do these non-dwarf "slaves" appear on the pop count in the 'Z' menu?  If they don't, then you've stumbled across a peculiar way to have a large fortress while bypassing (with a small population cap) such things as the mayor, true nobility, and all other things that require a large pop.

Also, two (three?) words:  Troll hunter-killers.

[ November 16, 2007: Message edited by: Earthquake Damage ]

[Furious Fish]

If you have animals with sufficient skills, do they get renamed to "Craftsdogs"/"Axedogs" etc?

[Fishersalwaysdie]

No.
The names of professions are in the raws.

[Bingbing]

It's not working with me. I put the tag on, but they aren't on the list!

[Mover#005]

It doesn't work for most professions, unfortunately. i didn't find a way to remove the tame-tag, maybe there isn't one without memory/savegame-editing. (It isn't even clear if this would solve the problems)

It does work with the jobs hunting and fishing. Your creature needs be able to equip i think, to pick up fish&their kill.

[Bingbing]

What I mean is that I can't buy the creature, even with the tags on it.

[Mover#005]

Oh yes... you have to generate a new world, so that the creatures start to show up as pets in the civs.

[Bingbing]

Still not working!

[Mover#005]

No idea. Some flags like [evil] do block creatures from becoming pets in civs without the use evil animals flag, for example, regardless of other flags.

[Cosmonot]

quote:Originally posted by Furious Fish:
<STRONG>If you have animals with sufficient skills, do they get renamed to "Craftsdogs"/"Axedogs" etc?</STRONG>

The only time you get specific names is when they're already defined with those names; by default everyone is a Craftsman/Axeman. Dwarves have manually written exceptions, but others don't.

[Mylon]

Oh, well if the world is generated with a pet tag and then the tag is removed, I would expect some wonkiness as well!

[Earthquake Damage]

You can use EVIL creatures by adding USE_EVIL_ANIMALS to your civ (as already mentioned), but there's no way to use SAVAGE or GOOD creatures yet, unfortunately.

[ssorion]

Played with this idea for few days. So heres what i found out :
1) Strip all [EVIL][GOOD] and [FANCIFUL] tags from creature, or it just will not appear.
2) Its not (tame) tag which blocks the working.
I was trying to strip it by memhacking, and while doing it found how to change races of existing units.
I was playing a new civilization of demons, with intelligent imps as pets. Done remove-the-pet-tag-on-saveload. So we get imp who can only hunt and fish. Now i memhack it into demon race, and boom. He keeps his (tame) flag but now he can do all the jobs and listed in 'z'. He keeps his body layout, but tile is demon's instead of his original.
Then i tried reverse way, found original demon peasant, and memhacked him into being an imp. Obviously he didnt have (tame) flag. And now he acts like tame ones - only hunting and fishing. Tried changing him to other races, like humans and elves, nothing works. He do jobs only if his race ID matches my original fortress race ID. http://ssorion.info/misc/df2.jpg  http://ssorion.info/misc/df3.jpg

quote:If you have animals with sufficient skills, do they get renamed to "Craftsdogs"/"Axedogs" etc?

Sure.
I got plenty of "Tentacle Demon Hunter" and "Tentacle Demon Fisherdemon" in one of my longer test games.

[ November 17, 2007: Message edited by: ssorion ]

[Mover#005]

Really interesting. Didn't have time to mess around with DF due to rl constrains. That means the engine selects the intelligent, working cave dwellers after a set "race" of the fortress, and probably a faction. (Because merchants aren't controllable)

Did you try to safe and load after the memhack? Did the creature keep its racial abilities? Was it wounded?

[ November 17, 2007: Message edited by: Mover#005 ]