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[Imp]

I don't see any chance web+sof or web alone is 'can win with town'.

I don't see web as a town ally either, but if I hadn't intervened and he was hanged at dusk, nqt and Tric would've gotten an easy mafia victory.  It would only take killing one of us three to conclude the game.

Yeah, but... as is instead of web goin' down-down-in-an-earlier-round, it's gonna be you.

This is clearly better for you.  Why?

[sofanthiel]

I dunno, but there isn't a difference either way.  Imp, Quarque, I've laid out all the information I had.  The choice is for you two to make.

[TricMagic]

Consider this. Crystal's team wins if town wins and they have an interesting specimen. Sofanthiel's team wins if the scum wins and they have an interesting specimen.

Not possible if they are true team.  This is God's game and he was clear.

That would require either they were never a true team, and God seems to have made it clear to CM that they are teamed, and I sure hope I was clear enough that SHE would ask those questions because she can talk to god.

So I think they were a true team.

So no, that's not possible OR sof got converted so it is possible, with or without the interesting specimen.

Or sof's that... kinda player.

I more meant that thye just needed an interesting specimen, and that one of them be alive with a win condition fulfilled.

[TricMagic]

Being honest, not a clue who. Not like I keep track.

[notquitethere]

Pfp

Haha what the hell is happening here. Sofa saved Web and is now saying Tric is a vampire and I'm mafia??!

Be in the thread to read back properly in a moment.

[Imp]

I more meant that thye just needed an interesting specimen, and that one of them be alive with a win condition fulfilled.

Would you be willing to explore and discuss that with God, perhaps privately?

Seems impossible based on the discussions I've had/questions I've asked and answers I've been given.

See, that implies that there's this magical 'long as they both win, they can win with town or scum, long as they're both alive' and that's profoundly not how God explained it to me.

No no.  If we see CM's true wincon flipped, and they are a 'true team', then sof's original wincon is something that can win without CM losing.

So, CM can true team with any of these:

town
survivor
hunter
town-ally
survivor-ally
hunter-ally
more

but cannot true team with
anyone who needs town to lose in order to win
anyone who town needs to lose in order for town to win

[Imp]

Pfp

Haha what the hell is happening here. Sofa saved Web and is now saying Tric is a vampire and I'm mafia??!

Be in the thread to read back properly in a moment.

Please answer me even if to tell me you won't give any advice at all, though I do want advice or clues if you choose to provide, before you hammer.

[TricMagic]

Jack apparently... Which isn't much given they were confirmed SK, but that just makes the mafia team blue.  NQT can't be lying if that's the case.
Or you could not trust the outed SK, but at that point who do you trust Sofantiel?

[notquitethere]

Please answer me even if to tell me you won't give any advice at all, though I do want advice or clues if you choose to provide, before you hammer.

I'm not going to say all my power, you'll all find out when I turn up dead, but either plan is fine. If you're dealing with Web, I'll deal with someone else. If you're not dealing with Web, I can sort him out. I'd rather not lay out precisely what I'm going to do because then it makes it easier for town to work around.

[TricMagic]

A question to Sofanthiel while we're here. Why in the world did you release webadict?

[Imp]

Please answer me even if to tell me you won't give any advice at all, though I do want advice or clues if you choose to provide, before you hammer.

I'm not going to say all my power, you'll all find out when I turn up dead, but either plan is fine. If you're dealing with Web, I'll deal with someone else. If you're not dealing with Web, I can sort him out. I'd rather not lay out precisely what I'm going to do because then it makes it easier for town to work around.

Great.

I am tracking someone, which means I'm not what I call 'dealing' with web.  Hope to see you again.

[Imp]

easier for town to work around.

But... hey.  I mean everyone can see this.

Not a typo?  Am I really in this of all universes?

[hector13]

I mean, it looks to me that webadict tried to gambit his way into town not lynching him knowing that if it didn’t work sofanthiel could make so. Might explain Max being quite lenient with the hammer there.

[Imp]

And when we say 'quite lenient', yeah.  I called it a half hour.  It's more than 2 hours.

webadict

A loud whistling sound is heard as sofanthiel releases a smokescreen which covers webadict. webadict can no longer be lynched today.

There are no valid votes to be counted.

And almost a full hour after God mentioned there's a grace period.

If any players with vote abilities want to use them, I'll give a grace period, I guess, but otherwise, I believe you are correct.

[hector13]

We still don’t know who killed N1. I know the game is bastard, but is it so bastard Max would make someone kill without them knowing that’s what they’d do?