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[sofanthiel]

No, Fallacy did not do so.

What is the following supposed to mean, then?

Who wants to be a pirate?

The only way for Pirate to be an alignment would be for it to be a scumteam alignment.

EJ claims to be a pirate + Fallacy asserts that, if pirates exist, they are baddies = EJ and other pirates are working against town!  Am I missing something crucial that's necessary to make such a judgment, because this seems pretty clear-cut?

But, sofanthiel, really.  What are your thoughts about the rest of the game and its events?  Why do you not seem concerned about anyone besides Maximum Spin?

The issue is that the information laid out before me has already been regurgitated over and over by those who benefit from presenting it in their light, so I focus on the things I can reasonably keep track of without an extraordinary amount of confusion.  My lines of thinking regarding other aspects of the day feel like blended spaghetti, and it's become increasingly hard to track down the source of my internal beliefs (or sometimes even what players were involved in a given conversation).

Which player(s) do you consider to be most likely to be Town, and why?

Which player(s) do you consider to be most likely to be scum, and why?

Which player(s) do you most want more information from, and how are you going to go about doing that? My advice would be to pick one or two of them, vote them, ask them questions, and try to tie them down in your mind as town or scum.

You don’t need to solve the entire game on D1, but trying to solve one or two players is a good start.

Imp, Egan, and Toony all contributed to the crusade against pirates early in the game and before Fallacy's confirmation of their concerns.  A few posts ago, I was still skeptical about the existence of the marauders; now I'm inclined to trust the three fighters (they could potentially be a different scum team, considering that, based on my mental calculus, the number of pirates is also three, but I'm content with ridding this ship of any unrighteous sailors before delving in and exploring such possibilities).

Jack, on rather obvious grounds, and Max, for reasons most of my posts thus far have concentrated on.  I also recall someone specifying that another participant admitted to being a pirate, but I can't, for the life of me, find that message.  I'll be very thankful if anyone can point me to it, for I lack the concentration required to sift through the whole thread.

I doubt this one is a mystery; it's what I've been doing the entire game.

[EuchreJack]

I also recall someone specifying that another participant admitted to being a pirate, but I can't, for the life of me, find that message.  I'll be very thankful if anyone can point me to it, for I lack the concentration required to sift through the whole thread.

It was Toony. He inspects as pirate the same as I.

[Maximum Spin]

Okay, this repetition of hours-old talking points really gives me the impression that sofanthiel woke up, checked scumchat to get caught up, then started posting.

[hector13]

All Most Esteemed FallacyofUrist has done is point out what was in the OP, and has been in the OP for however many weeks it took to get the game up and running. There has been no confirmation of the existence of Pirates outside of the players.

Okay, this repetition of hours-old talking points really gives me the impression that sofanthiel woke up, checked scumchat to get caught up, then started posting.

I get the same feeling. He asked about advice given to Esteemed The Canadian kitten, which was in the prior two posts to one he quoted with me voting him. That shows a lot of disengagement.

[hector13]

Addendum because I’m not allowed a second to proof read: plus an apparent fascination with Esteemed Maximum Spin that hasn’t been explored at all.

[Maximum Spin]

Well, sofanthiel's now at 4, if Steamed webadict is interested in switching and Euchrejack will get down off his gibbet for a minute.

[Lenglon]

sofanthiel: Jack was accidently given false information in their role PM
This false information was that Pirate is NOT red
Jack was told that they inspect as Pirate
Jack was also told that they can, as of the end of Day 1, invite up to three players to join them in a group chat.
Participating in this group chat would cause the participants to also inspect as Pirate.
Since Jack was NOT informed that Pirate is a red anti-town alignment, he believed that inspecting as Pirate would simply make them uninspectable, not Millers, and considered Pirate to be a flavor of non-alignment-confirmed Mason.
As a result, Jack acted openly and in good faith, stating publicly what his ability and role were, and offering to let others become Pirates in good faith and fun.
Fallacy then publicly stated in the thread that Pirate was a red anti-town alignment.
This caused many to interpret Jack's prior actions as open-faced Cult recruitment.
Jack, knowing that this confusion has caused them to be a top suspect, then despaired in response to being put in such a horrible situation through accidental misinformation from the GM followed by the in-thread statement made by the GM that cornered them.
Jacks actions ONLY make sense if Jack did not believe they were anti-town and did not believe they were advertising for people to join an anti-town group.
I find it unlikely that Jack is actually scum.

[Imp]

EuchreJack:

The role Pirate King gives me access to the Pirate chat.

Do you already have access to this?  I am so sorry, I wish I asked you this earlier.

Egan_BW:

How does this game look like from your viewpoint?

What do you think about that towering wagon on you, and how it fell apart?  Why did it happen, and why did it stop?

You were doing a RtD thingy.  I note that you dropped the keyfabe somewhat when pirates got discussed.  Had you considered just throwing an [OOC: whatever you need to say] on it, or would that break your feel too much too?

You're iffy about how you are using your RtD thingy.  I wonder if it has any in-game value beyond how we talk about it and react to it, and if it already achieved your purpose for it to some extent, making it very easy to drop, perhaps, until it is useful again.

You appear to have chosen to accept some risk in your direct statements about Pirates and their redness.  You broke keyfabe to do so.

I suspect you are not scum.  I think you are possibly reasonably town-aligned.  What do you think about that impression I have?

Why did you participate in a vie for Maximum Spin's affections?  This is Maximum Spin on D1, do you believe his claims, that one or any of them?

If you want to think that me knowing that makes me scum, then fine. But KILLING EJ FIRST IS IMPORTANT HERE.
By his own claims, if you don't launch him day 1, then he'll recruit three players to his pirate-cult.

By his own claims, stuff happens when he dies and he has claim and counterclaimed himself about what happens to those Piratechat people after his death

Spoiler: Some of those claims (click to show/hide)

When I die, I leave behind a hat that is stronger than my ability. While it could help Mafia, a Town player would get more use out of it.

(I also didn't clearly understand my role when I originally posted, so I apologize for any inconsistencies regarding the hat.)

So that part maybe is self-canceled, but:

There is another bonus to being on the Pirate Crew, but I'd rather not say, since I think I might not get voted out. Although, the three players will know it. Hm...

I wonder if that claim means that the Pirate Crew would know the bonus even if their Captain is lynched.  Because if he roleflips, we all know the ability.  Unless something prevents it.  So why would he say the three players would know it?

Also, possible early support to EuchreJack's later claim that he didn't get the role he asked for, or at least had no idea some key ability might be part of it:

I might be mildly annoyed to lose my ability, but frankly it's actually more work than I signed up for, so if you think I look scummy, feel free to scrub my profile.

Egan_BW, your reaction to hearing about the creation of pirates looks and feels to me like my reaction.

But how sure are you that EuchreJack's death would stop the creation of Pirates, and how convinced are you that EuchreJack themself is a pirate?

If you are sure of that stuff, can you help me understand why?

I myself am mostly sure that EuchreJack's death would stop the creation of Pirates.
I also am mostly convinced that EuchreJack themself is not a pirate.

I think EuchreJack genuinely thought he had his own private chat called a Piratechat, with the ruleset his PM shows.  I think he does it, too, but I do wonder if he already has access to it.

sofanthiel:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

No, Fallacy did not do so.

What is the following supposed to mean, then?

Who wants to be a pirate?

I think EuchreJack said in nearly complete ignorance, and hugely clueless, and not meaning the literal word-for-word what you seem eager to leap into believing.  I also have the advantage, delight, and confusion of having a role PM probably around as confusing.  FallacyofUrists was not kidding in that OP where he says he welcomes and encourages questions from us, wow.

Again, please talk to me about your role so I can help you understand it. You can't just say 'what am I missing', but you can ask me about any details you like or even make absurd hypotheticals. Exact wording really, truly matters, and subtle details can help or hinder you, so be aware of them.

Wow.  I mean, WOW.

I made an equivalent level mistake as EuchreJack in my first post.

I was 'set up' in a way by the wording of my role PM, the only way I could have not made the mistake was to have thought much better than I thought, and asked a LOT of questions before my first post... or have made some choices to maybe sacrifice some stuff by posting differently my first post.

So it's really, really believable to me that EuchreJack may have gotten a role PM that was itself deadly to EuchreJack unless handled perfectly, and that the perfect handling required asking the right questions before making some obvious choices.

Also, me personally, I find my 'set up' hilarious.  I have no complaints, I have praise and admiration.  I almost didn't mess up, even.  But I still messed up, hugely.  Makes me think if I'd gotten EuchreJack's role PM, if I might equally have made a similar, if longer (cause me), opening post to what EuchreJack made.

The only way for Pirate to be an alignment would be for it to be a scumteam alignment.

EJ claims to be a pirate

Say what?  Sorry, no.  Quote that.  Reread, and find it.  I can't.  And I've been watching for it and I'm heavily motivated to watch for it.  So I will take it as a huge favor if you can show us where EuchreJack claims to be a pirate - alignment pirate.  Role name doesn't count.  Inspect doesn't count.  Not to me, and shouldn't much to you.  Alignment pirate, that matters.  Oh boy does that matter, but to me no more than Mafia alignment or Serial Killer alignment (I fear cults, but less so.  Still, that one starting cultist, if they exist, oh no.)

+ Fallacy asserts that, if pirates exist, they are baddies = EJ and other pirates are working against town!  Am I missing something crucial that's necessary to make such a judgment, because this seems pretty clear-cut?

Yeah.  Discussed above.

[Crystalizedmire]

No, Fallacy did not do so.

What is the following supposed to mean, then?

Who wants to be a pirate?

The only way for Pirate to be an alignment would be for it to be a scumteam alignment.

EJ claims to be a pirate + Fallacy asserts that, if pirates exist, they are baddies = EJ and other pirates are working against town!  Am I missing something crucial that's necessary to make such a judgment, because this seems pretty clear-cut?

But, sofanthiel, really.  What are your thoughts about the rest of the game and its events?  Why do you not seem concerned about anyone besides Maximum Spin?

The issue is that the information laid out before me has already been regurgitated over and over by those who benefit from presenting it in their light, so I focus on the things I can reasonably keep track of without an extraordinary amount of confusion.  My lines of thinking regarding other aspects of the day feel like blended spaghetti, and it's become increasingly hard to track down the source of my internal beliefs (or sometimes even what players were involved in a given conversation).

Which player(s) do you consider to be most likely to be Town, and why?

Which player(s) do you consider to be most likely to be scum, and why?

Which player(s) do you most want more information from, and how are you going to go about doing that? My advice would be to pick one or two of them, vote them, ask them questions, and try to tie them down in your mind as town or scum.

You don’t need to solve the entire game on D1, but trying to solve one or two players is a good start.

Imp, Egan, and Toony all contributed to the crusade against pirates early in the game and before Fallacy's confirmation of their concerns.  A few posts ago, I was still skeptical about the existence of the marauders; now I'm inclined to trust the three fighters (they could potentially be a different scum team, considering that, based on my mental calculus, the number of pirates is also three, but I'm content with ridding this ship of any unrighteous sailors before delving in and exploring such possibilities).

Jack, on rather obvious grounds, and Max, for reasons most of my posts thus far have concentrated on.  I also recall someone specifying that another participant admitted to being a pirate, but I can't, for the life of me, find that message.  I'll be very thankful if anyone can point me to it, for I lack the concentration required to sift through the whole thread.

I doubt this one is a mystery; it's what I've been doing the entire game.

sofanthiel, why are you talking about it now? We've already had this talk before

Okay, this repetition of hours-old talking points really gives me the impression that sofanthiel woke up, checked scumchat to get caught up, then started posting.

I think sofanthiel is fluff posting right now. If they had any scum partners then I don't think this would've happened

[Lenglon]

Hector13: Please tell me why I should be voting Sofanthiel instead of Canadian.

[EuchreJack]

sofanthiel can have some pressure, sure.

@Imp: I have access to Pirate chat now. I'm lonely.

[sofanthiel]

That's not a compelling argument, since the intended purpose of claiming Actions on Day 1 is to confuse the scum, but also to give clearance to other players.

web, it is not just the fact that Max is lying about his powers (or at least exaggerating the scope of his abilities); it's why he originally began doing it.  He started during the wagon as a defense by portraying it as a total waste of votes.  Additionally, do you really think he's sincere about the promise to inform us upon being recruited into the pirate gang?  It almost feels like you disregarded those parts of my investigation on purpose.

It was Toony. He inspects as pirate the same as I.

Why was Toony rallying against you then?

Okay, this repetition of hours-old talking points really gives me the impression that sofanthiel woke up, checked scumchat to get caught up, then started posting.

You're suggesting that reading the thread and acknowledging/asking about points of interest is somehow a scum tell, yet you did the exact same thing when "catching up with the discussion", like here, for example!

He asked about advice given to Esteemed The Canadian kitten, which was in the prior two posts to one he quoted with me voting him. That shows a lot of disengagement.

I missed a few sentences directed at another player while skimming through your post.  I don't see how that's a display of disengagement, but that's fine.

[Maximum Spin]

You're suggesting that reading the thread and acknowledging/asking about points of interest is somehow a scum tell, yet you did the exact same thing when "catching up with the discussion", like here, for example!

You don't give the impression of having read the thread, that's the problem. You give the impression of having skimmed it while relying on a summary from somewhere else, eg, scumchat.

[hector13]

You missed two fuck huge posts directed at another player who was being pressed because they were lurking. It shouldn’t take that much initiative to consider that it applies to you, too, even if you’re just skimming it.

[hector13]

Hector13: Please tell me why I should be voting Sofanthiel instead of Canadian.

I’ll work on this, I’m PFP and it’s a goddamn slog even without a post restriction.