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Voting closed: May 27, 2023, 04:40:22 am

[notquitethere]

Could Royal Seals be captured in a cat sack?

It's more fun if I say yes here I think.

How would a siege on the Selkie Court work, do attackers sail home automatically after a round of combat?

Sort of but not actually. It works the same as a regular siege: the units remain on the tile (with the boats) during the whole enemy phase and then on the player's next turn, they can continue whether to continue the siege or redeploy the units and boats elsewhere. What you can't do is sail in with 10 units on a ship and then try to continue the siege in the next round while using the ship somewhere else.

Spoiler: Sol, Inheritor of Swearing (click to show/hide)

Sol, Son of Gloronisits and Hero of Swearing
Background: Hero
Castle Name: Castle Aubade
Castle Location: A5
Border Colour: Gold
Army: 10/10
Defence: 9/9
Wood Production/Inv: +1 (7)
Stone Production/Inv: +0 (2)
Recruitment: 0
Gold: 21
Income: 1
Debt: 0
2 Boats, 1 Ship
Features:
- Defenses:
   • Tower: +4/4 defence, increase maximum army size by +1 (can be bought up to four times)
- Resources:
   • Coppicing Grove: +1 wood production.
- Knowledge:
   • Shipyard: -2 wood required for making ships. Boats hold +1 army.
Forts
  - Castle Aubade A5, defense 9/9, armies assigned (10/10)
Artefacts:
  - Speculator's Rod (A scout scouting an empty hill that they own, has 25% chance to discover a quarry. They instead find a mine if the hill is adjacent to a mountain. The same tile cannot be scouted in this way more than once per turn.)

  - Shield of Earth (the army wielding this is considered to have +1 defence at the start of every combat, as if they were siege defenders)
Equipment: None
Special Units: None

This looks good! One thing: Castle Aubade isn't a fort, it's a castle, which is even better. Fort are like mini-castles which can only hold three guys and ususually no features. As such it has 10 defence, +4 for the tower, so 14/14 defence. Also, you can have your starting 5 gold as well as the stuff the Countess gave you, so that puts you at 26!

As a hero you get to start with an artefact from previous adventures, you get: the Whiptide Sail (one boat or ship can travel twice as far).

[Horizon]

A naval force of reckoning I am indeed. Also good to know! Will adjust sheet accordingly.

[Criptfeind]

The Host can retreat in battle if they have any territory left.

This here is a relevant detail. Even with 50 units we're highly unlikely to defeat Owain immediately. We'd likely cut his forces in half and force him to flee instead.

Also I sorta got sidetracked there ranting on about whatever I was talking about. Sorry, you're right here, assuming he CAN retreat when fleeing? I guess I assumed it was normal retreat rules (where defenders can't retreat) but the way you put it makes a lot of sense.

How many people do we realistically need to take him out? Assuming we use a cat he'll strike out with 31 6+s, probably kill 12 dudes, then we strike back needing 31 5+s, which is about 62 dudes. So 74 dudes should give us even odds on taking him down? 80-90 to "make sure" (so long as we don't have as bad luck as you did vs the dragon) That is, I'll admit, a lot. But not past what we're capable of. But yeah, it's a lot.

It's a big commitment but I'm not sure I see an alternative.

[Kashyyk]

Owain only leaves a single army behind to defend captured villages, so if we're quick about it, and mop up the random Squelsh squads, we'll grow faster than him. Unfortunately we have a troop cap but we could keep throwing bodies at him and trust that we reinforce faster.

Edit: updating my sheet.

Bockhoven gets a 4 Gold share from the Dragon Hoard, and then immediately gives it to me to pay off the last of the loan

Spoiler: Prince Mackial FitzHarbort (click to show/hide)

Border Colour: Orange

H14 - Castle: Shandston's Folly
Defence: 14/14
Army Cap: 14
Features:
 - Library (+1 rumor /turn)
 - Mustering Yard (+1 recruitment /turn)
 - Marketplace (+1 income /turn)
 - Tower (+4/+4 defence, +1 army cap)
 - Barracks (+3 Army Cap)
 - Alkabrian Outpost (see here)

H13 - Marsh: Fort Heather
Defence: 4/8
Garrison: 2/3 (2x Infantry)

I11 - Forest: Fort Hollivy
Defence: 6/8
Garrison: 2/3 (1x Archers, 1x Infantry)

J10 - Castle: Sundered Spire
Defence: 5/11
Army Cap: 11
Features:
 - Tower (+4/+4 Defence, +1 Army Cap)
 - Watchtower (Defender's get first strike, gives Hill report)

J9 - Forest: Fort Juniper
Defence: 2/5
Garrison: 0/3

Resources:
Army : 25/25 (+7/turn) = 21(curr) + 7(inc) + 5(army cap) - 1(casualties)
Gold: 39 (+2/turn) = 17(curr) +2(inc) + 16(loot) + 4(Bockhoven)
Stone: 0 (+0/turn)  = 0(curr)
Wood : 14 (+5/turn) = 9(curr) + 5(inc)
Debt: 20
Victory Points: 20

Territory: F13 (Forest), F15 (Village), G15 (Forest), G13 (Marsh), G12 (Hill), G11 (Lair: Wolf Den), H15 (Village), H14 (Shandston's Folly), H13 (Marsh, Fort Heather), H12 (Marsh), H11 (Village), H9 (Village), I15 (Forest), I14 (Village), I13 (Hill), I12 (Marsh), I11 (Forest, Fort Hollivy), I10 (Marsh), I9 (Village), J10 (Sundered Spire), J9 (Forest, Fort Juniper), K9 (Lair: Hog's Landing)
Artefacts: Ascupart's Bane (unit has +2 dice vs giants)
Equipment: 
Units: 21x Infantry, 1x Wolf, 1x Bog Cat

[Criptfeind]

Hmm, that is a good point, although we do have to keep in mind that every village we take back from him is going to give us +6% reprisal chance, which might start to stack up somewhat unpleasantly. I do think we need to kill him sooner rather then later, but if people want to wait to capture another castle or two and until we can kill him and take all his villages in the same turn to prevent retreats I think that's reasonable enough.

Edit: Unless someone else has a better use for it this turn can I hire out your wolf Crystal to hit R5 Quarque?

[Quarque]

Bockhoven gets a 4 Gold share from the Dragon Hoard, and then immediately gives it to me to pay off the last of the loan

ok, updating sheet

I would prefer to capture the Selkie Court first and take on Owain next, if possible.

Edit: Unless someone else has a better use for it this turn can I hire out your wolf Crystal to hit R5 Quarque?

I already worked out a deal with Horizon, can it wait a turn? In any case, before we talk about this I technically need a confirmation from a1s that I'm getting it back.

Spoiler: Bockhoven (click to show/hide)

Border Colour: Yellow
C13 - Castle: Bockelstein
Defense: 10/10
Army Cap: 13
Features:
* Coppicing Grove: +1 wood production
* Mustering Yard: +1 recruitment (+1 army size per turn, up to your max)
* Shipyard (coast only): -2 wood required for making ships. Boats hold +1 army.
* Barracks: +3 army cap

Resources:
Army: 13 (+4/turn) = 12 - 2(curr) + 4(inc) -1(cap)
Gold: 0 (+0*/turn) = 0(curr) + 0(inc)
Stone: 4 (+1*/turn) = 0(curr) + 1(inc) +3(fishing)
Wood: 12 (+5*/turn) = 7(curr) +5(inc)
*: including curse penalty

Artefacts: the Rhuddy Cape, the Golden Net, the Marrow Throne
Equipment: 1 Boat and 2 Ships
Special Units: 7 wolves

[Quarque]

How many people do we realistically need to take him out? Assuming we use a cat he'll strike out with 31 6+s, probably kill 12 dudes, then we strike back needing 31 5+s, which is about 62 dudes. So 74 dudes should give us even odds on taking him down? 80-90 to "make sure" (so long as we don't have as bad luck as you did vs the dragon) That is, I'll admit, a lot. But not past what we're capable of. But yeah, it's a lot.

With 74 dudes (including a cat) we would are like 95% likely to wipe them out in one go. They would need crazy luck to kill more than 16 in the first round. I can show the math, the binomial distribution tells you the odds of killing a certain number of units in a combat round, given the number of attacking units and the odds per unit.

[Criptfeind]

I don't need to see the math, I'll believe you, I'm not particularly good at math anyway Although I wasn't counting on a cat! (which would reduce our casualties by 1/3, so the back of the napkin math I was doing would have 74 be more like the 80 I proposed?... maybe lol idk I'm not good at math)

I already worked out a deal with Horizon, can it wait a turn? In any case, before we talk about this I technically need a confirmation from a1s that I'm getting it back.

Absolutely go ahead with your other deal. Like I said, "Unless someone else has a better use for it this turn". I might end up killing those wolves but I'm sure there will always be wolves around somewhere.

[a1s]

Spoiler: Marchioness Aywen Ayes - The Oak and Ash (click to show/hide)

Marchioness Aywen Ayes
Background: Thornish Defector
Castle Name: The Oak and Ash
Castle Location N-13
Border Colour: Red
Army: 15/15
Defence: 18/18
Wood Production: 7
Recruitment: 4
Income: 1
Wood: 31
Gold: 14
Stone:1
Debt: 0
Features: Mustering Yard, Coppicing Grove, Barracks, Tower(x2)
Forts : None
Artifacts: None
Equipment: None
Special Units: 1 bog cat, 3 wolves

orders:
Send The Wolf Crystal to Bockhoven with a complimentary wolf.
Send 10 armies to K10
Send 3 armies a wolf and a cat to L7
Send 1 army and a wolf to M7
Scout J7-I6-J6
Repair N11 with 1 wood (to 1/4)

I would also like to sell some wood. 3:2 gold, 2:1 stone!

[Criptfeind]

This might be a weird one, but Horizon, would you be amenable to renting out the speculators rods? I have no idea how one would price such a random thing thing, per turn or per discovery or whatever. But I have some hills that need speculating. I got wood, I got armies, I got gold, so if you are open to the idea of renting it out I'd be glad to negotiate a price.

[Horizon]

I will consider it but as of this moment no.

[Horizon]

Also this might sound silly but it occurred to me that communication might be much easier if this game had a discord to get diplomatic relations, trades or just talking things out a bit more quicker? Dunno just a thought.

[Criptfeind]

Probably would be easier/faster, however I don't think the way it's currently done is much of a strain and I find a certain satisfaction to having it all in one thread that can be read back though. Which is something I sometimes do to old interesting games although I could be totally alone in that. Hosting it on discord would lead to it being lost in the ether once the game finishes and probably wouldn't be great for any watchers who are interested in reading the byplay, if there is any of those.

It's the sorta thing I'd be okay doing if everyone wants, but wouldn't vote for myself.

[Quarque]

Send The Wolf Crystal to Bockhoven with a complimentary wolf.

Thank you.

So, Horizon, as discussed, I will lend you the wolf crystal for one turn to deal with the lair at B2, for the price of 1 gold now and three of the wolves next turn.

@Kashyyk: as discussed, I would like your support in a siege on the Selkie Court this turn with 10 units, if possible. I would provide the ship.

edit: tentative orders replaced, see further down

[Criptfeind]

Can we give territories to other players in trade or does the other play have to spend a march on them?