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[Toaster]

Psh, they're no threat; there's plenty of REAL threats out there.

[Nirur Torir]

Techs are here. Generic techs are described in the rules post.
I don't think that anyone who's dumber than a troll will be able to research their entire era 1 tech tree in 8 turns.
Currently unavailable techs may be available in era 2. There's some fuzziness, but you're mostly split into groups that ran into the wilds and have Exploration and easier pottery to survive famines, and groups that hid in place and have Town Planning for a higher soft population cap and Construction+granary to survive famines. Granaries are more efficient in the long run, but it may be difficult to research Construction and build one before turn 3. As such, nobody starts with Construction researched. Instead, the green people get farming, and the trolls get mushroom farming.

I might get the city maps out tonight so we can get started, but the goal is tomorrow night.

Spoiler: Stirk's Hinterland, Avalon (click to show/hide)

 Infiltrators - 50% chance for commanders with control over (or allied control over) at least one dopplegager unit to know enemy tactics and attempt to counter them.
 Stealthy - Light units receive a free Stealthy trait.
  The Stealthy trait makes it much easier for units in terrain such as forests or mountains to hide from more powerful forces, and often gives a first round surprise bonus. It does not work in open terrain, such as grasslands or deserts.
  Units such as infantry in medium armor and archers count as light units. Mail-armored pikemen or knights count as heavy units, and would not get this trait.

Starting Leader: Explorer (Double exploration speed of attached units)

Starting Tech: Fishing

Available tech for the Era of Calamity:
Animal Taming
Archery
Ceremonial Burial
Exploration
Farming
Primitive Pottery
Trade

Spoiler: Criptfeinds The Theocracy of Helianthia, Solaris City (click to show/hide)

 Flower Castes: Every labor spent in the city center will increase the Bonus Labor pool by 100, effectively giving a 10% refund on urban labor.
 Those Legs are Vines: -1 move speed for unmounted troops.
 Floral Bodies: -10% damage taken from mundane weapons, +25% damage taken from fire and ice (including terrain attrition).

Starting Leader: Governor (+1 morale)

Starting Tech: Praise the Sun (replaces Ceremonial Burial)

Unique tech: Solar Focuser
  May build Solar Focuser for 2 labor.
    Up to 4 labor may work it to each give +1 food, regardless of famine conditions. Every 2 labor will mitigate a famine by +1 food. Triggers caste system bonus.

As this is considered an optional side-path instead of rushing granary, and likely worse than having one, you have +1 tech option over others.

Available tech for the Era of Calamity:
Animal Taming
Construction
Farming
Fishing
Mining
Town Planning
Trade
Solar Focuser

Spoiler: Egan_BW's Gruggus Tribeship, Grugunnium (click to show/hide)

 Green is strong: +15% melee attack damage.
 Green is friend: +20% money generated from trade, Trade Good production doubled when researched.

Starting Leader: Explorer (Attached units explore at double speed)

Starting Tech: Farming

Available tech for the Era of Calamity:
Animal Taming
Archery
Ceremonial Burial
Exploration
Primitive Pottery
Town Planning
Trade

Spoiler: Toaster's Stonulus, Granite (click to show/hide)

 Thoughtful: +25% research rate.
 Trollish Physique: -20% damage taken from non-magical attacks, -1 move speed for unmounted troops.

Bonus Leader: Sage (+25% research)

Starting Tech: Mushroom Farming

Rare Tech: Mushroom Farming
Hills or mountains
No resources, 3 labor
Tile produces 2 food, ignoring base food and river bonus.

Available tech for the Era of Calamity:
Animal Taming
Ceremonial Burial
Construction
Farming
Mining
Town Planning
Trade

Spoiler: IronyOwl's The Chain of Petals, Ashcrown (click to show/hide)

 Shimmersilk: Start with a Shimmersilk Spider ranch, and can build more with Animal Taming. Shimmersilk can be used to create luxury clothes, which can be stacked with regular clothes. May have military use in the future.
 That is not a vine: +25% attack strength to The Chain of Petals' units defending Ashcrown.

Starting Leader: Governor (+1 morale)

Starting Tech: Practical Biomantic Applications
May build a Biomancer's Hall for 1 wood, 2 labor.
  1 worker may either mitigate a famine's food penalty by 2, OR mutate a unit with the Berserker Fury trait for a cost of 150 extra population.
    Berserker Fury - Unit gets +1 melee shock attack, halved low morale penalty to damage dealt. Damaged morale makes a unit difficult to control and likely to charge into melee to fight to the death. Unit costs up to 250 population to recover to full HP, instead of the usual 100.

Available tech for the Era of Calamity:
Animal Taming
Archery
Canoe Building
Construction
Fishing
Town Planning
Trade

Spoiler: Crazyabe's Volskii, of Kaz-volskii-gra'dun (click to show/hide)

 Asura: Units may equip another weapon or shield for the full benefit, without the usual downsides.
 Self-centered raiders: Extra loot, but units may ignore tactics to engage in glory-seeking or for self-preservation.
 Martial Focus: Most research is done at -25% speed. Raids on advanced neighbors may potentially flip this for specific techs.

Starting Leader: General (May build and operate military schools. May command groups of units.)

Starting Tech: Animal Taming

Available tech for the Era of Calamity:
Archery
Ceremonial Burial
Exploration
Farming
Fishing
Horseback Riding
Primitive Pottery

[Criptfeind]

Restricted tech access is always an interesting thing to me in games that have it, even if it makes balancing even harder to do it's just sorta cool imo. So I'm interested to see how it goes in this game.

I have a question about the "mitigate famine" portion of the solar focuser... As in, how does that actually work? Is it basically 1 food that I can't use as luxury goods or store for the future? Or does it only appear if necessary to prevent a famine that turn (IE making exactly the amount of food the city consumes)? Or do I already need to be in a famine for that food to appear? Or in some other way? Is there some negative to it?

[Nirur Torir]

Restricted tech access is always an interesting thing to me in games that have it, even if it makes balancing even harder to do it's just sorta cool imo. So I'm interested to see how it goes in this game.

I have a question about the "mitigate famine" portion of the solar focuser... As in, how does that actually work? Is it basically 1 food that I can't use as luxury goods or store for the future? Or does it only appear if necessary to prevent a famine that turn (IE making exactly the amount of food the city consumes)? Or do I already need to be in a famine for that food to appear? Or in some other way? Is there some negative to it?

A famine is a special event I'll declare, which reduces food output, something like either "-4 total food produced this turn" or "all tiles produce -1 food this turn." Famine mitigation reduces the severity of one by producing bonus food, but only during a famine.

[Criptfeind]

Ah, right, okay, that makes perfect sense like that! I just assumed "famine" meant the negative consequences of having not enough food for your pops.

[Egan_BW]

Darn, went from free construction to no construction at all. Guess no fancy walled city for me.

Farming tech is 2 labor for +1 food per labor forevermore. Takes a few turns to break even, but more food is appreciated. Does tie up some labor in starting turns on stuff which isn't glorious science and/or exploration though.

[Egan_BW]

For a moment I was concerned that you need 1 labor just to make 1 clothing, but then I remembered that 1 unit of luxury good is actually enough for 10 pops. So 1 labor working hills and 1 labor making clothes is a +1 morale for a whole starting population. Add in 150% food production and morale will be looking good.

That's 5 labor working river plains, or irrigated plains, or irrigated river hills. Won't start with much irrigation, but at least most tiles give 1 food.

Again, thinking in these terms doesn't seem like the best way to run through tech quickly. I at least have an explorer leader, which will require training a unit. Which consumes an extra 0.1 food, and loss of 0.1 labor, negligible. But then there's weapons or having an extra one or two units for defense. Hmm. As far as I can tell, raising a unit itself doesn't cost labor. But it might be a bad idea to send them to do anything without paying the 2 labor for spears.

[Toaster]

Hard to plan too much ahead without seeing full starting conditions.  Do you start with any buildings?

Also, for mushroom farming, how exactly does that work?  Is that "you can spend three labor on any hill/mountain tile to get two food, but that's all you can do on that tile" or can you also work it normally?  I assume that's repeatable, so you can mushroom farm multiple tiles?  It does seem to be a bit of a "for emergencies only" tech since you're producing less food with it than you're eating with that same labor, but if there's no other way to get that last two food it beat starving.  I'm going to secretly assume there's a way to buff it later.

[Stirk]

Darn, went from free construction to no construction at all. Guess no fancy walled city for me.

Farming tech is 2 labor for +1 food per labor forevermore. Takes a few turns to break even, but more food is appreciated. Does tie up some labor in starting turns on stuff which isn't glorious science and/or exploration though.

Farming plains is 4 Food/Labor with no resource setup, Fishing is 3 Food/Labor with wood required. You're getting the better deal unless Fishing gets some cool stuff down the line or River tiles are really rare :V

Hills (Brown)
1 food, 1 wool

Wood right?

Hard to plan too much ahead without seeing full starting conditions.  Do you start with any buildings?

Also, for mushroom farming, how exactly does that work?  Is that "you can spend three labor on any hill/mountain tile to get two food, but that's all you can do on that tile" or can you also work it normally?  I assume that's repeatable, so you can mushroom farm multiple tiles?  It does seem to be a bit of a "for emergencies only" tech since you're producing less food with it than you're eating with that same labor, but if there's no other way to get that last two food it beat starving.  I'm going to secretly assume there's a way to buff it later.

1000 dudes = 1 labor = 1 food so you should have a surplus unless I missed something.

[Egan_BW]

Also, for mushroom farming, how exactly does that work?  Is that "you can spend three labor on any hill/mountain tile to get two food, but that's all you can do on that tile" or can you also work it normally?  I assume that's repeatable, so you can mushroom farm multiple tiles?  It does seem to be a bit of a "for emergencies only" tech since you're producing less food with it than you're eating with that same labor, but if there's no other way to get that last two food it beat starving.  I'm going to secretly assume there's a way to buff it later.

I believe it's a tile improvement. So the 3 labor is only spent once, and from then on that tile produces 2 food in addition to whatever else it produces when worked with 1 labor. So it's +1 food on hills tiles (which aren't on rivers) or +2 food for mountain tiles.

[Toaster]

Oh, yeah, that makes way more sense as a tile improvement than as a special labor.  Derp.

[Egan_BW]

Farming plains is 4 Food/Labor with no resource setup, Fishing is 3 Food/Labor with wood required. You're getting the better deal unless Fishing gets some cool stuff down the line or River tiles are really rare :V

I'm going to covet labor a bit more than resources for now. No idea how many plains rivers I'll get. My application says a jungle valley which isn't very compatible with a tech made for plains and hills. :v

Hills (Brown)
1 food, 1 wool

Wood right?

Wool, like from sheep. It's used to make clothing so that your people aren't sad and naked.

[Nirur Torir]

Which consumes an extra 0.1 food, and loss of 0.1 labor, negligible. But then there's weapons or having an extra one or two units for defense. Hmm. As far as I can tell, raising a unit itself doesn't cost labor.

Units have no food upkeep. Only luxuries are tracked to 0.1 instead of 1, so that would be annoying.
Correct, raising a unit with no equipment is free. You're limited to one unit raised per turn, and civilians will be unhappy if unarmed "military" units suffer casualties.

Hard to plan too much ahead without seeing full starting conditions.  Do you start with any buildings?

Yes. To be determined after I make terrain to look at.

I believe it's a tile improvement. So the 3 labor is only spent once, and from then on that tile produces 2 food in addition to whatever else it produces when worked with 1 labor. So it's +1 food on hills tiles (which aren't on rivers) or +2 food for mountain tiles.

Yes.
I'm interested in seeing how it plays out, I don't remember anything like that being in the games this is based off of.

Wood right?

No, wool is correct. Wool + 1 labor produces clothes, which gives 10,000 people +1 morale.

[Stirk]

Units have no food upkeep. Only luxuries are tracked to 0.1 instead of 1, so that would be annoying.

Military units consume double food. That is, a standard unit of archers with 100 population will consume 0.2 food per turn. If forced to forage in the wilderness (Extended global travels without supplies or a lack of food), they'll lose morale and health, based on how hospitable the terrain is.

No, wool is correct. Wool + 1 labor produces clothes, which gives 10,000 people +1 morale.

Oh neat.

[Egan_BW]

Which consumes an extra 0.1 food, and loss of 0.1 labor, negligible. But then there's weapons or having an extra one or two units for defense. Hmm. As far as I can tell, raising a unit itself doesn't cost labor.

Units have no food upkeep. Only luxuries are tracked to 0.1 instead of 1, so that would be annoying.
Correct, raising a unit with no equipment is free. You're limited to one unit raised per turn, and civilians will be unhappy if unarmed "military" units suffer casualties.

Rules seem to state standard units consume 0.2 food:

Military units consume double food. That is, a standard unit of archers with 100 population will consume 0.2 food per turn. If forced to forage in the wilderness (Extended global travels without supplies or a lack of food), they'll lose morale and health, based on how hospitable the terrain is.

Happy to not worry about it if you think it's not worth tracking, though. :p