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[Strongpoint]

Otherwise, in the westren media we emphasize reports of disillusioned elements with good reason, however I would be careful to make conclusions based on those, we are talking about people who fought with each other for years and prazosin isn't one to lead from behind, a great populist and still have his troll factories.

I need no Western Media. I can see the impact in the Russian segment of Internet. I also know the "moral code" of Russian convicts well enough to know that what Prigozhin did is despised in those circles. And no, not only the recent recruits care about this code. Prigozhin is a criminal who lives by that code to some degree(at least pretends to), all of Wagner is built on that code.

[Cathar]

Here's a short 2020 Luka's interview on Prigozhin, which may shed some light on their relationship.
So yeah. Luka is taking Prigozhin, not his Wagner friends.

[ChairmanPoo]

Otherwise, in the westren media we emphasize reports of disillusioned elements with good reason, however I would be careful to make conclusions based on those, we are talking about people who fought with each other for years and prazosin isn't one to lead from behind, a great populist and still have his troll factories.

I need no Western Media. I can see the impact in the Russian segment of Internet. I also know the "moral code" of Russian convicts well enough to know that what Prigozhin did is despised in those circles. And no, not only the recent recruits care about this code. Prigozhin is a criminal who lives by that code to some degree(at least pretends to), all of Wagner is built on that code.

Even discounting excons, this is the kind of thing that would break the personal loyalty his mercs might or might not have for him.

You dont need prison culture to analyze this. Its basic human dynamics. Leadership goes both ways, and followers do expect certain things from their leaders. Prickozhin embarked his men in a coup attempt (which they *really* wanted to do themselves, but ostensibly he'd have been the main beneficiary) yet chickened out midway and ended up signing a shit deal that basicañly pleased noone. He basically showed himself as cowardly and disloyal, and as such he can't really expect to keep his liutenaunt's respect IMO

[nenjin]

And nothing says fun like a fractured, armed mercenary force that's lost confidence in its own leader.

[jipehog]

I guess we will see in few month if this is wishful thinking or not

[Strongpoint]

General Surovikin is arrested for treason. This scum is covered in Syrian and Ukrainian blood from tip to toe. I hope he'll enjoy Russian prison, he deserves it way more than Hague.

Edit: actually unconfirmed.

[nenjin]

According to CNN, Wagner is going to be disbanded and turn their hardware over to Russia.

[ChairmanPoo]

General Surovikin is arrested for treason. This scum is covered in Syrian and Ukrainian blood from tip to toe. I hope he'll enjoy Russian prison, he deserves it way more than Hague.

Edit: actually unconfirmed.

You know, this would actually further prove Putin's weakness. I mean, arresting a general for failing to stop the coup while the coup organizer goes free? Lol

[Lidku]

Do we even know the true status or whereabout of Prigozhin at all? He could be just dead at this point.

[hector13]

Apparently a plane connected to him went to Minsk… then to St Petersburg.

I wasn’t all that interested in it though so no idea if he was actually on the flight(s).

[EuchreJack]

According to CNN, Wagner is going to be disbanded and turn their hardware over to Russia.

HA

[MorleyDev]

MoD: "Give me your equipment."
Wagner: "Okay. Have this."
MoD: "What is it?"
Wagner: "Is potato."
*Wagner walks away, 'potato' explodes*

[King Zultan]

I doubt the Wager guys are just gonna give up their guns, because if they do I have a feeling their next mission will be a bayonet charge.

[Strongpoint]

I doubt the Wager guys are just gonna give up their guns, because if they do I have a feeling their next mission will be a bayonet charge.

Strictly speaking, they merely want to take away tanks, mobile SAM, and MRLS. Stuff that no sane country will give to ANYONE but army units in the first place.

[martinuzz]

In mother Russia, if you have been a good boy until you are 18, mom and dad will give you a driver's license and a car.
In mother Russia, if you ave been a bad boy until you are 18, you are in prison and Wagner will give you a tank, who cares about driver's license.