My impression of this setup is that it's a race. Mafia need to kill two specific players before town finds them. They could also kill three players in the untainted part but that would take one more player, I guess it'll depend what happens. Town could lose this before Day 2 even starts if mafia get really lucky or players like Tric reveal themselves. Mafia have no way to determine a player's plant part besides what a town player says. Meanwhile town have tools to stop the kill (protect/block) or potentially find a killer (track).
I don't think we can mass-claim to solve because all of our abilities are one-shot. There aren't enough blocks and protects to keep everyone alive as the trackers find the mafia since we're all one-shot.
There's a 66% chance a person in your plant part is mafia, there's a 33% everyone in your plant part is town.
I think Tric is town because he read "Think carefully before using or revealing your role." as "Reveal your role". He's a Town Stem.
Max could be mafia, he says he doesn't plan to reveal his power "yet" but if I understand this setup correctly town shouldn't reveal their power unless they've caught mafia. Let's put Max down as either maybe Town Flower or maybe Mafia...Flower? Could be anything if Mafia I guess.
Jim could be playing dumb, let's say he's town though this has never backfired before when Max and Jim both posted together at game start or anything. I'll say he's a Stem because he voted TricMagic and said stuff like feeling it in his bones using dice as a cover. I don't understand why you would vote Tric here unless you're Stem or mafia. So maybe Town Stem or Mafia.
NQT could be anything, let's say town for now. Plant part could be anything, can't tell.
Web could be anything, not as judicious here as NQT. Plant part could be anything.
Jack, a1s, and Fluffe haven't posted yet. I want to safely guess that at least one player here is mafia, probably not two.
So, at this point Toony has planted the seed of Jack, a1s, or Fluff being mafia.
Oh right, this is going on.
So far, I think there's mafia inside ToonyMan, Jim, and webadict. We should try surgery to get them out, or maybe some kind of Inner Space thing. I think I'll plan to use my power on Jim unless something changes.
I think there's one at most (Web more likely than Jim?), but I don't believe there's any currently.
I think it's funny you're making a possible conclusion of three players here while I'm doing the same thing for three players not here.
We see some solid Jim backing by Toony. He continues this throughout.
Well I'm going to join NQT and vote A1S by virtue of not really feeling anyone else.
Toony jumps on the guy who ain’t there.
I think Jack is probably town I haven't seen anything that really bothers me so far.
I don't know Fluffe and I can't say either way.
Probably Town huh? Really?
Tric is 90% town. I don't think he's fooling me.
I'm like 80% sure Jim is town. Maybe my second most confident read after Tric.
Jack is like 70% town. I haven't seen any clear "yeah this is obviously town Jack", but they also haven't said anything alarming which I think is a lot more valuable.
Everyone else (Web, Max, NQT, Fluffe) is around 50% but I don't see anything vote worthy.
If a1s isn't mafia then I think our two mafia are inside these four players currently.
Oh, but now Jack is only 70% town. That doesn’t sound like “probably”.
Today, I want to know who Tric thinks is scum.
NQT, Max, Jack
If I use the Tric radar test, then mafia are inside Web, Fluffe, and a1s.
Note how Toony reiterated Tric’s opinions on scum without claiming ownership of them.
So everyone's voting a1s cause they aint talking at all?
I'd rather vote a player that isn't here then someone I don't really think is mafia.
Who do you think dies tonight? Or at least, who do you think mafia will want to kill most?
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I'm right about Jim more than you're right though.
The one time Jim was mafia recently I switched my vote to him after you convinced me.
More Jim bolstering.
I'm very intrigued by the rapid wagon formation. a1s hasn't posted on the forum in six days. Assuming that keeps up, I don't see that much pressure is being had here.
SO
EuchreJack
Jack wasn't on the bandwagon though?
Not sure about this one.
Hmm I like NQT's attitude towards Jack.
Not taking a stand, yet apparently liking that someone else is attacking me. That same person that Toony is now saying shouldn’t be prodding me. Hm.
I'd rather vote a player that isn't here then someone I don't really think is mafia.
Who do you think dies tonight? Or at least, who do you think mafia will want to kill most?
Fair enough and I'm not gonna go into specifics cause then mafia are probably gonna kill that person because they think they are funny. But probably a person they think is too close to the truth (somehow) or they know tends to be competent. What branch they are on will also probably have a large effect in the decently likely chance they are on the same level as a person who has pretty much already revealed their role. Or who knows maybe they throw darts!
Do you think mafia have a good idea what branch each player is right now?
If there's a mafia in Stem we're a little fucked since they just have to find the non-Tric Stem, but whatever.
extremely calm post
I don't like this or the vote on Max. I think your justification here is a sudden turn from your previous stance and sounds phony to me.
Go phone sex yerself
Frankly, No One there is simply not enough evidence for me to be confident enough to vote for literally anyone right now. If that aint satisfying enough and im literally forced at gunpoint then I say the guy currently forcing me to vote at gunpoint haha. I will say though I think voting for a1s right now is a bad idea if they are town then we are one step closer to losing and if they are mafia then well they are pretty much dead weight right now considering they aint been online at all for about two days. Of course, if they come back then that changes things but I have a feeling it's in our best interest to keep em around for now. (They will probably get auto yeeted by NJW if they stay inactive anyway)
Do you think someone will catch mafia on N1?
Sowing the seeds of dispair
Oh, and screw you Toony.
...
My thought process was the following:
I had originally intended to unvote web, but forgot. Hence having a vote on web that wasn't accurate to my current mind state.
Then, upon reviewing Tric's list of suspects, I figured "well, maybe one is scum?"
I had originally had higher suspicion of NQT, but just wasn't feeling it.
So I figured that I would check Max out. And then I noted Max was communicating more like his scum-self than his town-self. So I followed that up with a question. NQT giving me shit had me figuring I should double down on Max with a vote.
...and here we are.
Honestly, I'd like a1s to post so we could decide properly on them. If they don't post, I'm quite happy to eliminate them. What I suspect will happen is they'll vote with less than 24 hours, so we'll be stuck scrambling for the Day 1 lynch. Which is gonna suck. So we should probably start working on secondary lynches.
I still think your response here is way too cool-headed now that I scrutinize you more, am I wrong?
Ugh, what a creep.
@Webadict:
I also think Fluffe is probably town.
Also, I did ask a question, but it's kinda just a question to get you to talk and on re-reading it, it's shit, so forget it and here's a new one: Are you will to vote one of those three you suspected?
Yes.
Max, what can I trade you to give me some insight into other players?
How about... a vote for Jim. A vote for Jim is a vote for... Jimming... Jim.
I'm not convinced in a Jim vote.
Jim & Toony k-i-s-s-ing.
Actually Jim why are you voting Tric still?? Do you think he's mafia or what?
oh, wow, there are 7 pages to read here.
Anyway, I'm town and I will say more tomorrow.
Looking forward to changing my vote an hour before day end.
At least he was upfront about it...
Actually, given that it's game over if two town of the same type die... we could lose N1 if we mislynch. So as it's MYLO (more or less), is there a good rationale for no-launch?
Help me work through the scenarios here...
I don't think there is.
If we don't lynch then we can't lose before D2, but we can't get closer to winning either.
If some of us fire off our one-shots on N1 we could catch mafia...or mafia chooses not to kill and we get false positives as Roots and Stems out themselves thinking they stopped the kill. If mafia nokill then Flowers also can't get concrete results. If anything I feel like mafia are more likely not to kill if we no lynch to make us waste our one-shots.
Earlier Jim said he probably wasn't going to use his one-shot tonight when Jack asked everyone. That makes me feel good about Jim even if I can't think of why it would be alignment indicative.
When is it correct to use our one-shot? I don't think this question should be answered. Did Jim answer because he's being honest? Maybe.
Right now I feel like mafia are a1s and Jack after some back and forth in my mind.
Really? HAH
@Jack:
What's your point? Are you arguing that everyone should be using their one-shots on N1 because then we may have three non-block oneshots for N2? It's also important to remember that blocks can't stop other blocks.
@a1s:
Vote Jack and I'll switch, he has better things to do with his time anyway.
PPE:
Oh...well then. I'll Unvote and consider this a vote on Jack and see if he gets less snarky. I don't want to L-1 in case of accident hammer.
Fuck you.
Web/Toony: Is there a good way to discern between town giving up and scum giving up? I've seen this situation play out loads of times with both alignments. Players just giving up. I feel like mafia are in such a strong position in this game that they have no reason to be so easily demoralised, but some players fold under pressure.
I don't know. It's easier to tell if I've played with them before, but the general rule I go by is that a new player throwing in the towel is usually town.
Is a1s town? Maybe, I don't think they've really thrown in the towel though, but highlighting town in green is very convincing. What was their behavior like in other games?
I honestly don’t know...
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