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[Lenglon]

I don't care if Egan claimed all of specialised-miller-space, they're rare enough we're entitled to rule out Egan making an improbably good guess that the game has specialised millers and going all-out with a D1 claim.

I don't accept this.
and I'm not convinced that you accept it either.
NJW: On what basis are you assuming Egan's extraordinary claim's extraordinary nature implies the truth of said extraordinary claim?

[Lidku]

So to summarize the current discussion: everyone is trying to discern of Egan's legitimacy of being a Miller or not?

[Lenglon]

So to summarize the current discussion: everyone is trying to discern of Egan's legitimacy of being a Miller or not?

Not quite, but that's a reasonable misunderstanding. If Egan were the one actually being scrutinized then Egan would be the one being questioned, this is more about NJW and FoU.

[Lenglon]

come to think of it, Lidku, I don't think anyone has really engaged with you today so far. How do you feel about that? Also, if you could get an investigate result on someone as a bonus action tonight, who would you pick? And if you had to take a vigi shot RIGHT NOW, who would you shoot with it?

[Lidku]

come to think of it, Lidku, I don't think anyone has really engaged with you today so far. How do you feel about that? Also, if you could get an investigate result on someone as a bonus action tonight, who would you pick? And if you had to take a vigi shot RIGHT NOW, who would you shoot with it?

For an investigation action, I would choose between either Egan, TricMagic, and admittedly... you.

You, because I feel like you're being a tad-bit aggressive for D1. Almost like you're trying hard to be considered Town with your constant activity and trying to grasp at things to nail who you suspect as Mafia.. an attempt to detract suspicion from yourself, perhaps?

TricMagic because he has been silent lately and he is usually more active than this. Though again, like I've broached before, it all could be IRL activities consuming up his time.

Egan, as a means to really discern of what they're saying about their "Miller" ability being true. But apparently the whole point of a "Miller" automatically typecasts the user as Mafia, no matter what? Then it becomes extremely hard to gauge whether or not Egan TRULY is either Mafia and Town (which is, I believe, is what everyone has been arguing these past pages.. I just realized we're still on D1, but at least somewhat half-up to the page number of the previous BYOR game ).



Now, as for what I would do if I had a vigilante ability: I would save it for until I at least highly suspect someone. Doing the wrong the kill + a lynch vote killing a Town and not a Mafia member + the decided Mafia kill would devastate Town, bringing us way closer to a loss in one Day/Night. If I had such an ability, I would never disclose it and save it for at least N2 or N3 (if I was still alive, that is) for someone I highly suspected.

[Knightwing64]

I feel like Egan’s claim is kinda weird, but I think it could be true. Or it could be a incredibly daring attempt to appear so obviously scummy so that you aren’t seen as scummy

[FallacyofUrist]

My auto lists Inspection actions, Survey actions, and Track actions. I think that in this case Watching someone who is not me to see who targets them doesn't interact with my auto at all. So I would show up to A, having acted upon B.

...Perhaps I should mention that I don't have any targeted abilities to test that with. Presumably if I get Surveyed while doing nothing I still show up as having done the mafiakill despite having done nothing.

While I'm not sure if figuring out Egan's unique brand of shenanigans should be our highest priority, I do need to remind everyone that Egan has also claimed not having any targeted abilities. That seems relevant.

I mean, it could be the single most audacious scumclaim I have ever seen. That's worth considering too.

I'm going to blatantly rolefish here and ask Egan if there's any way they can prove they had an effect on the Night that wasn't the mafiakill during a Night when the mafiakill occurs? Because that's probably the key to unraveling this mystery.

Let me put it like this.
Imagine that the same sequence of events happened, with Egan claiming the same role, but Fallacy claimed to be a normal alignment miller instead.
Egan's claim also covers being a normal alignment miller. Would you make this same argument in that case?

Fallacy's role cannot possibly change the probability of Egan's exact same claim being true.

Unfortunately roles are not random. Don't Outguess The Mod is a real factor. Basically... would webadict create a setup where both my claim and Egan's are true? Unfortunately, as much as this is something we can speculate on, it is pure and total WIFOM. So roles are not randomly created, but they are created by an inscrutable penguin.

It might be more worth looking into Egan's non-miller claim behavior. Have they been acting town, aside from whatever the heck this is?

... we can place votes for behavior reasons too, folks.


I appreciate how Maximum Spin is engaging more with what's going on. I suppose he'd say 'well now there's data to work with', and that's not a bad argument to put forwards. It's still reactionary and opportunistic, though.

So there are different Omega-millers in play?

Ho hum. I find that hard to believe. Also, have a look through Fal and EgAns early interactions. They’re just a tad weird. At the very least, I think FoU is lying here.

Anything to say for yourself, FallacyOfUrist?

It's already been stated, but I'm nowhere near an Omega-miller. My actions appear to be mafiakills, and that's it. There's no track shenanigans, no watch shenanigans, no alignment warping shenanigans. It's worth reiterating just once.

I do want to know what you mean by 'a tad weird', NJW2000. This is explicitly a pressure vote. I'm as curious about you as you're curious about me - I'm curious if you can supply the detail you claim to have seen.

Max is actually irritated with Lenglon, or appears to be. Unusual deviation from his standard tone… he likes explaining his D1 style, or comes across that way at least, in other games.

I really was. It was unusual for me, yes. I did point that out in a later post too, so I want to be clear that I'm acknowledging it.

[1] My temper was short yesterday morning. I'd been sick, and on top of that my room was really hot, and it just kind of made me more irritable than usual. Later in the day I put up a passive cooler and fan and then almost immediately felt normal again. I really don't like when my mood is that changeable, I usually try to keep things from leaking into my behavior like that, but I guess it was just a bad day for me. 

Anyway. It's not really important anymore, but I felt like I should explain.

Oh, almost missed this.

Everyone: I'd like all anti-inspect claims out here on the table please. Miller claims, inspection block claims, whatever they may be, could anyone that has an anti-inspection mechanic of any kind (role, action, flavor, I do not care.) please speak up now so it won't be a viable claim for scum later. We've gone far enough into D1 for any gambits you wanted to play about how you reveal that stuff to have played out. Get them out here now please.

[2] Fine. I expect to be untargetable tonight. I was going to tell everyone before day end, so might as well do it now. I am sort of like a kind of commuter. I will not go into further detail until the future.

[1] Valid. It's understandable, mate. Hope things improve.

[2] Well if there's one thing that it's not valid for town to inquire about before it becomes relevant, it's defense-mechanism abilities. That you decided to claim seems both odd and somewhat townie. It's not in any way related to miller-stuff - unless it is? You don't have to answer that.

I'm guessing you claimed it because it'll interfere with investigations on you.

[Shakerag]

I'm going to assume the autism thing is a joke.

Bruh.  I am literally autistic.  You absolute muppet.  Honestly with as how thick you come across I wonder if you're on the spectrum as well.

Clearly I will need much more alcohol tonight before continuing.

[Lenglon]

I feel like Egan’s claim is kinda weird, but I think it could be true. Or it could be a incredibly daring attempt to appear so obviously scummy so that you aren’t seen as scummy

for the love of.
Knightwing: Why do you insist on making me have to repeat myself over and and over over before you will actually answer the world's most basic questions you brainless muppet? Do you not have any follow-up to what you asked me in your last post? Do you have some kind of reading deficiency? Is the only reason you won't answer the world's most basic questions because you haven't been voted for it yet? Really? Got it Knightwing you have successfully frustrated me enough to get voted out of simple irritation at your flat refusal to have anything to do with actually progressing the game. Fix your shit you fucking dumbass.

[webadict]

I see a loooot of hostility right now. Let's all take 2 chill pills and a deep breath.

[Shakerag]

I see a loooot of hostility right now. Let's all take 2 chill pills and a deep breath.

Honey, this is not me being hostile.  I'm not posting in all caps yet.

[Maximum Spin]

You absolute muppet.

you brainless muppet?

...what?
I guess I'm just going to assume that Lenglon just read Shakerag saying that and therefore had the word in mind, because otherwise that's weird as hell.

[Lenglon]

come to think of it, Lidku, I don't think anyone has really engaged with you today so far. How do you feel about that? Also, if you could get an investigate result on someone as a bonus action tonight, who would you pick? And if you had to take a vigi shot RIGHT NOW, who would you shoot with it?

For an investigation action, I would choose between either Egan, TricMagic, and admittedly... you.

You, because I feel like you're being a tad-bit aggressive for D1. Almost like you're trying hard to be considered Town with your constant activity and trying to grasp at things to nail who you suspect as Mafia.. an attempt to detract suspicion from yourself, perhaps?

TricMagic because he has been silent lately and he is usually more active than this. Though again, like I've broached before, it all could be IRL activities consuming up his time.

Egan, as a means to really discern of what they're saying about their "Miller" ability being true. But apparently the whole point of a "Miller" automatically typecasts the user as Mafia, no matter what? Then it becomes extremely hard to gauge whether or not Egan TRULY is either Mafia and Town (which is, I believe, is what everyone has been arguing these past pages.. I just realized we're still on D1, but at least somewhat half-up to the page number of the previous BYOR game ).



Now, as for what I would do if I had a vigilante ability: I would save it for until I at least highly suspect someone. Doing the wrong the kill + a lynch vote killing a Town and not a Mafia member + the decided Mafia kill would devastate Town, bringing us way closer to a loss in one Day/Night. If I had such an ability, I would never disclose it and save it for at least N2 or N3 (if I was still alive, that is) for someone I highly suspected.

I like your answer about the investigate question, thank you, but you didn't actually answer the other two. I can understand that you might have not realized I did actually want you to say what your thoughts were about having not had anyone engage with you up to that point, but I am actually quite curious what your thoughts are about that.

also, I put the RIGHT NOW in all caps about the vigi shot because I was already assuming that you'd give the answer you just gave if I didn't. I want to know who you would shoot RIGHT NOW if you were FORCED to take the shot RIGHT NOW.

[webadict]

I see a loooot of hostility right now. Let's all take 2 chill pills and a deep breath.

Honey, this is not me being hostile.  I'm not posting in all caps yet.

Then tone it down to extremely nice, deary.

[Shakerag]

I see a loooot of hostility right now. Let's all take 2 chill pills and a deep breath.

Honey, this is not me being hostile.  I'm not posting in all caps yet.

Then tone it down to extremely nice, deary.

I will consider your request but I cannot guarantee anything.