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[jipehog]

I am implying that the doomsday predication about reddit business model may be based on its new owners politics rather than knowledge and understanding of its business model. I would suggest starting with whether its profitable

Recently reddit was among those who also added API use limit and monetization, which resulted in a community hype train to go dark. Lets just say that I was glad reddit didn't back down. I didn't think that my opinion of reddit mods could be lower but seeing their self important comments made it so.

[Criptfeind]

None of that is in any way an argument against anything that anyone has said. At this point your just doing the same thing you're accusing others of, making predictions and having opinions with no backing, and you're managing to do it as you lambast others for the same thing. But at least there's some shred of logic here why people think that what musk is doing to twitter is a bad thing for it's long term health. What reason do you think that reducing the users of a platform that makes money by selling it's users will increase profitability other then your like of the new owners politics?

[jipehog]

I assume you have realized that Twitter isn't profitable and hasn't been in for couple of years, same things with reddit. Otherwise the difference is that I see a lot of the same people who dog pile on anything musk related making strong worded assertions about something they clearly didn't seem to had full knowledge of. Meanwhile I have no problem saying that I don't know, but most of the prediction I see seem like political inspired hottakes that ignore circumstances and future plans.

Naturally, your regular joe users just want their free stuff and get really upset when things change, but that is nature business. Right now everyone seem be monetizing api access, we will see how it works out once we past the birthing pains and "community" whining. Speaking of, I think that for Musk pander to the "community" in the current climate is loosing game, and I love the "troll" auto response to media inquiries right now.

[Strongpoint]

Naturally, your regular joe users just want their free stuff and get really upset when things change, but that is nature business.

I, just like others, pay Twitter by viewing ads and other types of promoted posts, providing content created by me, and giving away some of my personal info. What you say is misleading. There is no free stuff in relationships between Twitter and its users. Do not pretend that we have a "benevolent company" and "parasites" situation. The funniest part, by introducing this "rate limit", Twitter makes it harder for me to pay them, preventing me from doing the aforementioned things.

And yes, customers are disappointed when the quality of a provided service goes down. And nature of business is that you respectfully communicate with your user base and explain why the quality went down.

[lemon10]

https://imgur.com/gallery/RFgCmtS
Yeah, le twits is le dead.
Musk might be able to salvage its corpse though and turn it into a payment processer. Doubt it though, building on the foundation of twitter now is a bad move.

I assume you have realized that Twitter isn't profitable and hasn't been in for couple of years, same things with reddit. Otherwise the difference is that I see a lot of the same people who dog pile on anything musk related making strong worded assertions about something they clearly didn't seem to had full knowledge of. Meanwhile I have no problem saying that I don't know, but most of the prediction I see seem like political inspired hottakes that ignore circumstances and future plans.

Musk has been a complete failure at twitter lol.
Day 0 he took a company with a ~200 million/year deficit and a billion cash reserves and instantly turned it into one that owed 12 billion dollars with interest of ~1.2 billion a year.

And that's just day 0, he did all kinds of other really stupid shit after that that really haven't helped.

[scriver]

Let's just stop a moment and hate Google too for acting that way though

[King Zultan]

I'll be glad to see the end of twitter, once it's dead maybe we can start pushing for that facebook thing to kill itself as well.

[Frumple]

I am planning to jump the ship as soon as Blue Sky will go into a public beta. After all, there are basic dignity.

From a couple days ago, but from what I've been seeing I'd probably suggest really strongly to not. Bluesky's run by the same kind of nut techbro libertarian as musk (Dorsey, who's on their board and heavily involved in decision making and design literally helped found twitter, and has gone pretty full freeze peach crazy over the years), and is currently having some pretty incredibly concerning things going on regarding how it handles stuff like child pornography.

There's no dignity in that particular platform, to all appearances. Unless there's some serious changes there's no indication the current owners are interested in making, it's going to release in the state of "8chan-tier cesspool"

[Strongpoint]

There's no dignity in that particular platform, to all appearances. Unless there's some serious changes there's no indication the current owners are interested in making, it's going to release in the state of "8chan-tier cesspool"

I am fine with navigating cesspools. Besides, I'll be moving after people I am already subscribed to many of whom announced that they plan to go to Blue Sky

Also, I don't care much about the political views of owners. I want some basic standards of moderation (not like Facebook for example, I am not touching Threads for that reason) and stuff working without too many random technical problems.

[Frumple]

... the point trying to be made is you're not going to get basic standards of moderation out of bluesky. The political inclinations of the admin/owners is expressly opposed to basic standards of moderation, and they've gone out of their way to make it clear that's informing and going to inform how they handle the platform.

[Strongpoint]

... the point trying to be made is you're not going to get basic standards of moderation out of bluesky. The political inclinations of the admin/owners is expressly opposed to basic standards of moderation, and they've gone out of their way to make it clear that's informing and going to inform how they handle the platform.

Oh. I see what you mean. Overmoderation worries me way more than undermoderation. As I said I am thickskinned enough to navigate cesspools

[Robsoie]

a problem if twitter dies is that you will lose so much future pieces of twitter wisdom

Spoiler: fortunately ancient twitter wisdom like this one can probably be archived (click to show/hide)

[lemon10]

Let's just stop a moment and hate Google too for acting that way though

So apparently it wasn't actually google deciding to do anything, its just a natural result of what happens when you make it impossible for google's bots to actually navigate your website.

Which is pretty big time incompetence, but if you fire like 75% of your programmers (and 75% of everyone else as well) and the best of the rest flee your business cause you might fire them any instant results like this are something that just happens sometimes.

[hector13]

I wonder what jipehog has to say about Elon Musk’s clear 5d-chess moves to grow the business 10-fold by tomorrow.

[Strongpoint]

Let's just stop a moment and hate Google too for acting that way though

So apparently it wasn't actually google deciding to do anything, its just a natural result of what happens when you make it impossible for google's bots to actually navigate your website.

Which is pretty big time incompetence, but if you fire like 75% of your programmers (and 75% of everyone else as well) and the best of the rest flee your business cause you might fire them any instant results like this are something that just happens sometimes.

I suspect that it is not incompetence but a childish tantrum and the result of a direct Musk's order to "hurt Google" and deny them profits for accessing "HIS" content for free.